So It's Back To First Principles

[howdoiknowthisinfo (howdoiknowthisinfo.com)]

@kimtomg

I think the audio evidence is a solid piece and always a starting point.

exactly.
I only base my model on audio/video evidence, and the closer to the event the recording was published (and downloaded by myself), the better…

now we hear that RealDjDave’s phone was confiscated by the fast buriers of information and he got his phone back only a couple of days later…

a couple of days ago, I saw a report of drone sightings during the rally that “were flying so fast” that a clear photo could not be captured, but “they” were lucky enough to have captured a couple of frames in their video in which “military style drones” could be spotted…

that is very fishy…

I do not know whether the 4 other phones were also fbi’zed, but this is very fishy indeed!

about the JFK assassination: if you look at the videos of that event you will see that the secret service pulls back from the car 15-20 seconds before the shots were fired…

these attacks are carefully planned and orchestrated.
the AGR site and the terrain of the Butler Farm Show where this event took place is so unique that they could stage the attack:

• the bleachers and podium were positioned at the exact location such that there were 2 locations from which someone would have a perfect line of sight so that the real shooter could get away with it and have the man on the other position pay the prize/price
• the snipers on the barns behind Trump would NOT have a direct line of sight to the position of the real shooter, and only 2 of these 4 snipers had a direct line of sight on the man who would pay the prize/price…
• there were no eyes in the sky by means of drones, helicopters, CCTV or guards at an elevation BECAUSE they would have spotted the real shooter immediately
• and there is so much resistance to even consider another option than the option that the man who died did the real deed…

we live in a very strange world where it is extremely dangerous to figure out what really happened…

(Sgt Raven may consider adding self-confident to his list or start a 2nd column )

[kimtomg]

Sound is one piece of the puzzle.

Having audio from different locations is Great! The sound at T mic would indicate how many projectiles came to that point. Initial analysis was more than the 8.
using the same rifle or round would insure similar report.

Multiple enemy snipers would try to coordinate the fire close together. The first shot being most accurate. use of objects around the rifle would redirect sound and confuse return fire.
The actions of patsy “crooks” ensured he would get attention and receive return fire. (he was soooo exposed).
Actual assassin(s) position(s) would be concealed.
I was trained open iron sites, modern sighting equipment, makes first shot hit nearly guaranteed. (over confidence?)

JFK was moving, so multiple snipers used. T was static…or was supposed to be.

There is NO question the real would be assassin could escape mayhem. Especially with uniform or other identification. (JFK)

It would not surprise me if the actual sniper is in the video(s) milling around.

Best Regards,
k

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@kimtomg

It would not surprise me if the actual sniper is in the video(s) milling around.

absolutely true, and by now that man is most likely dead.

if we want to know who shot at Trump the professional snipers of various types (mercenaries, military, police and law enforcement…) should look around for one of their colleagues who went missing since about a month…

the man who died on that roof died there so that the real sniper could get away from the scene, and as happened with all the other president shooters, they got killed shortly after their deed…

[kimtomg]

maybe best not to “off” your reliable hitmen, bad for business.

Regards,
K

[sirvival (Ken Stahl)]

Trump’s body posture and head angle at time of shock wave impact has not been adequately studied imho. In a slow replay, he was looking straight at the large monitor to his right momentarily. Most importantly he was looking slightly behind his back, in reference to the fixed podium and stage. Because the ear lobe is so close to the skull, a linkage to bullet trajectory is possible.
In the lower right of photo note the position of Trump’s shoulder blades rotated right; and then note head position, rotated further right in reference to the shoulders. The dotted line, drawn through the center of the large monitor, shows a possible trajectory in alignment with the “safe” path to ear, avoiding any contact with the skull.
Reading through several weeks of comments, some amazing analysis appears. But questions remain. I was intrigued by the title of this post “Back to First Principles”. The inductive research method (as opposed to deductive) involves collecting and analyzing data without preconceived categories or theories I’m not questioning any of the analysis on the various boards. But I raise an observation not fully considered yet

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[phecksel (PhilH)]

@intolerance

Caliber was 5.56

How do you know it is actually 556? 223 is a much more common purchase. In many stores you have to go out of your way to find 556 on the shelf.

[phecksel (PhilH)]

@intolerance

velocity for bullet used is too high, there is no confirmation that the AR-15 barrel length is longer than 16"

I posted in the other thread 4 different rounds fired from my 16" barrel. 556 had an average 3035fps. 223 had an average of 2914. Commercial reload had an average 2905. barrel longer than 16" will have higher velocity. The barrel of the rifle on the roof does look longer than 16".

[roger-knight]

OK, so 6 Inches for 167 yards. Does everybody agree?

How about the strong wind on that day, shall we say 2 Inches in the horizontal direction for the same shot?

[sgt-raven]

@howdoiknowthisinfo

Sgt Raven can add pedantic to the list he keeps too

Why don’t you stop following me around. Take me off your following list.

[roger-knight]

Sorry intolerance for disagreeing with you but looking at the body cam video from a totally different angle, these are not reflections from the sun, it is evident that the lights are coming from inside. Both, Stewards video and the body cam confirm it. Here are some screen shots from the body cam video each taken from different windows. I measured the hight and it would correspond with the position of a night vision device in top position.

[howdoiknowthisinfo (howdoiknowthisinfo.com)]

yes, 6 inches would be ok for the vertical drop.

have a look at the flag above Trump for the horizontal drift:

@howdoiknowthisinfo

when we use the data for an AR-15 with similar parameters and zeroed at 150 yards

and

@howdoiknowthisinfo

[roger-knight]

Hi Ken,

I did address this topic in my post here:

@roger-knight

while I am drawing the head of Trump, something came to my mind

If Trump is looking to the screen his head is not completely turned in a perfect 90° angle towards the screen. I watched his eyes. His eyes are all the way to the right when he is talking, saving him the effort to look all the way back over his shoulder. So if you want to position Trumps head angle it is rather to the left corner of the screen and not the center. According to our simulation however, even with this position, Crooks could not have shot from his position without touching the cheek first and then the ear. The only perfect angle, when considering hypothesis 2, would be coming from the 2nd shooter in building 6. Below some screen shots:

[sgt-raven]

@roger-knight

So if you want to position Trumps head angle it is rather to the left corner of the screen and not the center. According to our simulation however, even with this position,

Watch the video when he is shot. he is swiveling his head around, back & forth. Trump is lucky or blessed the bullet passed his head at that exact moment.

[howdoiknowthisinfo (howdoiknowthisinfo.com)]

@daniloraf

Are both ‘good enough’ ??

yes, there are differences in the different layouts.
I tried to match the different versions as close as possible to certain reference points both in the different pictures and the buildings and paths/roads, antennas and similar…

also time of day when the picture was taken makes a big difference due to the shadows cast by and on the different objects

it really does not make much difference which ones you use because the proportions and relative angles do not vary much.

the differences in the photos are due to perspective and the way wide angle camera lenses take pictures

on several pictures you see the hydraulic fluid stain and this is important to place the JCB hydraulic lift

if you worry, provide me with a better overall picture and I will use that one.

this also illustrates exactly what I have been saying the past days: there are so many factors in play and it is ridiculous to assume that all the calculations must exactly match and align, otherwise the suggestion is worthless.

I am ok with slight variations and if you are concerned, show me a better one that would satisfy you…

I tested the following ones and the ones I included in the snapshot are the most representative that enable reasonable alignment:

as you can see, the problem is the wide angle lenses and the fact that these drones did not look straight down, which distorts the width of certain paths and different objects that are more left/right/higher/lower in the picture compared to the center of the picture.

I only show here the ones that are more or less vertical, because it is totally impossible to realign an image that was taken at an angle to the ground map…

so, my reference points were the roads/paths and the points that clearly touch the ground, i.e., the corners of the buildings, the base of the bleachers, etc.
for the bleachers, I use the front corner at ground level that is located in the direction of the JCB hydraulic lift that was hit by the 1st bullet.
the angle/bearing of the bleachers is based on the position of the other corner on the ground, and I simply use the dimensions in meters to plot the bleachers, i.e., if you are sitting/standing in the bleachers, the left ground corner is the one for which I use the coordinate and the other ones are calculated based on the bearing.

the exact size of the bleachers does not really matter, even though roger still swears by it…

does this answer your query?

[roger-knight]

Yes, I have taken that into consideration. It is a slight head movement that saved his life.

I think what Ken is trying to say, is that if Trumps head is completely turned back in a right angle towards the screen, then the shot has to come from out of the woods, otherwise his cheek would have also been damaged as well as his ear. I have however notice that Trumps eyes are all the way to the right which helps him in such a way that he does not have to turn his head and body all the way back towards the screen. As you can see on my simulation it is about -10° if you take the stage as a reference. This makes a perfect line for the second shooter, but not for Crooks, another confirmation that our hypothesis 2 (having two shooters) is the most favourable up to now.

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@sirvival

analyzing data without preconceived categories or theories

I had to recharge my defibrillator twice when I saw this

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@howdoiknowthisinfo

it really does not make much difference which ones you use because the proportions and relative angles do not vary much.

What I forgot to mention earlier is this: if you have a robust theory or hypothesis and good arguments why that theory makes sense or that hypothesis holds, then it doesn’t matter that much if certain parameters deviate slightly, because a robust theory/hypothesis still holds and makes sense.

On the other hand, if the theory/hypothesis is weak, or even very weak, and depends on an exact set of parameters and assumptions that really shouldn’t deviate from anything, then the theory/hypothesis is very fragile and I wouldn’t put too much effort into it…

However, the model I propose is extremely robust and therefore doubly worth defending. And besides, it doesn’t really matter where exactly those bleachers were hit: they were just a transit point between the relevant points of the bullet trajectory: muzzle and impact, and even if the way the bleachers were hit was important, it wouldn’t matter, because they are on the trajectory of the bullet…

Until the day before yesterday, the whole model I defend was ridiculed and gas lit, but since the day before yesterday there seems to have been a small change and it is at least a bit more discussable.

And the only criticism that sometimes still pops up is the sound analysis, but it now turns out that the parameters used for that sound analysis are just standard values ​​picked out of thin air and that may not be relevant to the atmospheric conditions and the weapons and ammunition used…

So I’m still working on that…

[roger-knight]

OK, our masterpiece is fore filled! Here is our “Peak Prosperity joint citizen investigation” document which represents all your great input and feedback. If the first bullet hits Trumps Ear and the right corner of the bleachers as seen in multiple videos, we have two points locked in space. Using the positions of these two points we can back trace the origin of the shooter, which in this case does not lead to Crooks on the roof (offset vertical is 6 feet and horizontal offset is 9 feet), but rather to the wall of building 6 (46.6 feet from the building wall and 9.85 feet from the floor). Therefore according to this document, there are two shooters.

I have added our Excel sheet in this drawing as well, so that we don’t have 2 documents anymore. Just one big JPG file that defines everything in space based on mathematical defined calculations.
Everybody please make sure to download this document and keep it in a good place. This document represents 100 hours of our hard work.
Just one small remark to howdoiknowthisinfo before you answer this Post: I will spend my time answering one question per day from you. Therefore, please think very carefully about what you want to try debunking.

Together we are strong!

[rough_country_gypsy]

I’ve stated somewhere on PP it’s either that vent or the shot came from above Crooks. When you’re standing in front of building 6 it jumps out at you. It’s the only spot that checks all the boxes that’s below Crooks.

[sirvival (Ken Stahl)]

I read your prior post. Very good. But here is why I am drawing my line through the center of the screen (see photo). As you can see, the visual is ‘letterbox’ i.e. a bit smaller than the full screen. Also from, watching the RSBN original video, Trump appears to be be straining to see the detail, from center, and even to the right. Focused vision on fixed objects takes place at the center of the retina, requiring both eyes at a right angle to the object for parallax vision to work clearly. Peripheral vision only works well for moving objects. This would position Trumps head at a 90 degree angle to the screen at the moment of impact.

Further, re: head orientation. From the photo of Trump at moment of impact, note the shoulder blades are about 40 degrees of rotation from the podium. And then, see that DJT is also turning his head toward the right shoulder, adding to the angle. It would take a good chiropractor to sort this out. I tried to copy his pose, with the fold and extension of arms, and the angle. It seems to confirm the ‘center to right side’ approach.

In the start of the Musk interview Trump discusses his experience with screen and head tilt in great detail. He even mentions “right angle” to the screen as being the reason the bullet missed. I get the impression from listening that more is known from his observation than is being shared through official channels. Bottom line, if accurate, the Crooks single shooter hypothesis is officially DOA, with admissible evidence. Beyond this, we don’t know what we don’t know. But maybe we know where to look.