So It's Back To First Principles

daniloraf · August 14, 2024, 8:30pm

Someone has been doing some reading! Even the profiles of g1 and g7, congrats.

This BC of .434 seems way too high for common 5.56… did you type this number or was it a template? If it exists, it’s not common at all… for 55 grains, it would be around 0.250-0.270, probably… for 77 grains maybe 0.375

best to keep it on gravity…

Thank you for making it available, I can tell it took effort. I haven’t been able yet to plot on the model, just compared your heights to a ballistic table I made for 5.56 yesterday, but it was too late, didn’t even finished it. I will try to go over it today with the info you wrote here.

And on that day it must have made quite a curve. That heavy flag was almost horizontal. I’ve been using 9mph for wind at 90degrees.

howdoiknowthisinfo · August 14, 2024, 8:38pm

thanks.
even though several in this forum are convinced of the opposite, I am not the biggest moron around, he…

howdoiknowthisinfo · August 14, 2024, 8:46pm

I took that value from the url mentioned below in the graphs.
I will use the values you mention.

very much so!
and it makes it even more impressive that Trump is still alive, he!

thanks for your feedback!

roger-knight · August 14, 2024, 9:14pm

Hi Ken,

Yes, I was the same opinion as you until I saw this picture.

Assuming his arm is pointing to the screen, which would be 90° in respect to the screen. His head is not inline with that angle. Like I mentioned, this angle is compensated by his eyes, that are totally to the right.

Another point to mention is that we have determined in this forum, that the first bullet hits Trumps ear and then the corner of the bleachers. As you know, we are in a position now to back-trace this bullet to the original location from where it was shot, which leads up to the building 6 wall. Therefore, not only do we locate where potentially the 2nd shooter is positioned, but it automatically sets the head angle of Trump.

sirvival · August 14, 2024, 10:00pm

That photo you posted was a few seconds before he was injured.

Trump had both hands down when the first shot rang out. Here is the live feed from RSBN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c3TKCJ7aE44
Photo shows the frame closest to impact. Unfortunately the photo you posted is before he was shot. A raised right arm would affect head angle, shifting it to the left.

bigtim · August 14, 2024, 11:27pm

That might be a bad conclusion. .223/5.56 is well known to deflect and/or tumble upon impact. Even his ear strike could push that round off course a few degrees.

roger-knight · August 15, 2024, 3:55am

Hi BigTim,

Thank you for your input, but do you have a document that backs that up? For example, if you were to stripe a watermelon with a 223/5.56 would it push it out of the original trajectory and if yes, how much?

roger-knight · August 15, 2024, 4:07am

Hi Ken,

Yes, but again he is reading off the same screen, he would not make more effort to turn his head back more towards the screen. And he is not able to do that, because he would be too far away from the microphone.

I would claim that the head position in my photo and in yours are the same. Think about it, you read off the screen, you look at the audience and you look at the screen again, your head and body are not going to turn an additional 40° which would be necessary to be 90° to the screen, of which you are claiming the angle is.

roger-knight · August 15, 2024, 4:38am

Upon request, I have updated this important document including the conclusion, making it possible for everybody to understand our study.

roger-knight · August 15, 2024, 4:48am

here are some 3D screen shots of the above-mentioned document which are self explanatory

bigtim · August 15, 2024, 5:08am

Do I have a “document” that states bullets can deflect? Are you joking?

roger-knight · August 15, 2024, 6:52am

OK, I will ask the question differently. Everybody take your finger and flick your ear. Thats the resistance that the bullet had. Knowing that resistance how much can the bullet deflect? I would have the tendency to guess that it is near to zero?

howdoiknowthisinfo · August 15, 2024, 7:15am

hello Roger,

this body cam still was shot 6.5 minutes after the first shots were fired and shows the position of the sun:

here, the reflections in the windows are simply reflections of the bright sky…

in the following picture, the white reflection in the rightmost window is simply the white roof of one of the barns:

if you zoom out you can simply see the red barn with the white roof:

so, if someone sees some whiteish reflection in these building windows, it is very likely that they simply see the white roofs of the barns across the green or behind Trump…

roger-knight · August 15, 2024, 7:22am

Is that your question of the day for me today?

howdoiknowthisinfo · August 15, 2024, 7:26am

it is very worrisome that, even when I support your observation regarding the reflections, you feel offended…

howdoiknowthisinfo · August 15, 2024, 7:37am

let me get my defibrillator…

after all these days that we have established that your 3D CAD model does NOT take into account

the correct heights of Trump, Trump’s podium, the ground level where that podium was built, and
the correct heights of the right bleacher’s impact, the ground level where that bleacher’s impact was
horizontal deflections, e.g., caused by the strong wind
vertical deflections, e.g., bullet drop

you still use your erroneous model that does not take into account any of these concerns to authoritatively claim you can back trace the bullet’s origin to the building where that man was shot dead…

this is really insane!

over a distance of 100 yards, the smallest horizontal or vertical deviation of any of the reference points you swear by (Trump’s ear and the corner of the right bleachers) results in a deviation of several meters up/down/right/left and easily opens the very plausible hypothesis that the shots came from the high roof behind that man…

it is really unbelievable that you still swear by your model and dismiss all these concerns!

howdoiknowthisinfo · August 15, 2024, 7:46am

yes, this is a correct guess.

have a look at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsvJzfXZI18

Brandon Herrera and his team analyse in this video what would have happened to Trump’s ear when it was grazed or pierced by a bullet and what would have happened to someone’s head should it take a similar bullet…

grazing the ear:

grazing the ear does NOT make the bullet tumble!

piercing the ear:

note that piercing the ear MAKES the bullet tumble

a ballistic head taking a head shot is slightly more graphic…

howdoiknowthisinfo · August 15, 2024, 8:40am

shooting from the hip pointing out things that have NOT been considered in this image:

in order to be able to validate your scheme, you should also include the distances between the alleged shooter position and Trump and the bleachers corner
you mention round figures for the floor levels of building 6, the floor level of Trump and the bleachers, but this allows for a discrepancy of just below 1 ft height difference: 1336.501 would be rounded up to 1337 and 1337.499 would be rounded down to 1337, which makes a huge difference in the angles you calculate thereafter! the same observation applies to the other heights in rounded ft apply! e.g., if the floor level of the bleachers is rounded up and the floor level of Trump is rounded down, you will get a more horizontal angle, and if the floor level of the bleachers is rounded down and the floor level of Trump is rounded up, the bullet may as well have been shot from an overflying airliner…
if your model takes into account gravaty (sic) and wind, you should NOT use straight lines but arcs…

roger-knight · August 15, 2024, 8:41am

Hi howdoiknowthisinfo,

Just wanted to mention that I am not at all offended.

Haven sacrificed a lot of time for you in the past answering some very doubtful questions, I have set a limit to my capacity for you by answering one question per day. I think it is a fair solution from my side. With this, I am not cutting you off and on the other side I don’t lose too much time.

Since you are asking legit questions here, I will consider this to be your question of the day:

As you can see, on each point in the drawing you have a reference numbers. So here are your questions:

the correct heights of Trump, Trump’s podium, the ground level where that podium was built, and
the correct heights of the right bleacher’s impact, the ground level where that bleacher’s impact was
horizontal deflections, e.g., caused by the strong wind
vertical deflections, e.g., bullet drop

So, question No 1 you would be asking for ref. 690 for the podium? The ground level is indicated on the drawing. Please look carefully, namely 1337 feet

Question 2, you would be asking for ref. 274 and ref. 870? The ground level is indicated on the drawing. Please look carefully, namely 1336 feet

Question 3 and 4 are brand new and don’t have a ref. number, But here they are now:

Vertical deflection, gravity drop is ref 559

Horizontal deflection, wind is ref 290

As you can see in the screenshot below both references have been taken into consideration. And you can be proud, because your source will be mentioned in ref. 559 haven given the 4 Inches.

So, to understand your questions correctly, you will be needing ref 690, ref 247, ref 870, ref 559 and ref 290?

Please let me know and I will provide you with the receipts.

howdoiknowthisinfo · August 15, 2024, 8:55am

I am glad you confirm that I ask legitimate questions.

the distances between the different points of interest are not yet mentioned in your scheme.
it would be great if you could add these too in a sufficient precision, so no rounded feet or rounded yards, but units with enough precision like cm or inches.

thanks!