So It's Back To First Principles

The distance a rifle is zeroed at only affects how the rifle is aimed. It has no effect on the basic path of the bullet, which will always be a modified parabola. I say modified because the bullet is slowing down as it goes - in the case of a bullet with a muzzle velocity of 3100 fps, the velocity may be 2722 fps at 150 yards (source: sierrabullets.com).

Thus if you are mapping the path of the bullet, the fall will be faster at the end than the rise at the beginning. But it won’t be much for distances like 150 yards. There are two recorded sniper kills of over two freaking miles. THOSE paths would have a fair amount of variance from true parabolas.

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this is still a straight line.
I am working on the parabolic version, which is coming shortly

the interaction with the right bleachers is at the height of the horizontal part of the back of the right bleachers.

in my model,

  1. Trump’s ear gets grazed (causes no deflection of the bullet)
  2. bullet scratches or slides over the horizontal back railing of the bleachers (may cause some deflection, but not really significant)
  3. bullet pierces the hydraulics of the JCB hydraulics lift that held up the speakers.

from my perspective, the shooter on the high roof was using subsonic rounds with a suppressed sniper rifle, i.e., the bullet is heavier (I would guess 180 grains) and does not scatter or start tumbling around at the slightest interaction with, e.g., a bleachers railing.

in my earlier posts, I showed a man who was shooting such rounds through 10 16 gauge solid steel plates without the bullet deflecting whatsoever, so even if such a bullet would have pierced through the galvanized steel railing, it is very much possible that it would not have been deflected much…

however, much depends on the angle at which a bullet interacts with whatever surface it encounters, so it is uncertain what really happened after the bullet interacted with the bleachers, but grazing Trump’s ear would not have deflected the trajectory…

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No, to use an extreme. If the barrel is tilted up at a 45 degree angle, the arc the bullet makes will be different, than the barrel tilted up 5 degrees.

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Must - resist - humble bragging. Sorry can’t do it.
That clip reminded my of Caltech years because they tried to do an instructional video series called “The Mechanical Universe”. The show on gravity looked an awful lot like that. But of course series on hard physics tend not to super popular like “Stranger Things” or “Game of Thrones”.

The bragging part: I was admitted to Caltech as a freshman in 1982. One of my best 2 friends was Tsutomu Shimomura. No kidding. The humble part: I transferred away because I never could have graduated. Most of my closest friends and boyfriends washed out too. The luckier of us realized it earlier on and only invested a year or two.

It was magical. It was hell. My last 40 years have been awash with mediocrity, and remembering the brushes with greatness, how close I came… Tsutomu’s father later won a Nobel Prize. One undergrad who was a student there at the same time I was (of a undergrad class about 1000) won a Nobel Prize.

Caltech didn’t give shit about how few of it’s students graduated in those days. US News and World Report came out with it’s rankings just a year or two later. The rankings included graduation rates, so Caltech started to “care” after that. In my year, only 60% graduated in 4 years, and only 76% graduated within 6 years.

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If that was true then why does a 36 yd zero when the bullet is traveling up, cross again at 300 yds. vs. A 50 yd zero crosses again at 200 yds?

Just the height of the sights above the barrel affect parabola of the flight of the bullet. A low over bore bolt action rifle has a different parabola, than a AR-15 rifle.

I’ve got Pythonic Cow on ignore, but I agree with him here, with one caveat. He means bullets follow a parabolic trajectory.

Some people were reminded in high school linear algebra that there is only one parabola. I mean this in a mathematical sense only. (Again, if I got this wrong, someone can come and repossess my diplomas.) What may look like different parabolas on a piece of graph paper will look the same if you rotate them or scale them up or down.

A bullet fired at a 45 degree angle will show a much larger chunk of a parabolic arc than a bullet fired straight ahead.

As I mentioned above, bullets don’t really do true parabolas, since they are slowing down as they go, but it’s pretty close for distances like 150 or even 400 yards.

You have a ballistics background, I have a math background. I’ve only fired firearms twice in my life, once with a revolver at a close target and once with a shotgun at clay targets.

I have never fired a rifle, and so don’t know about zeroing from experience. But I’m pretty sure that if someone is shooting from the same elevation as the target (and has zeroed it correctly), that bullet should hit the top of its arc about halfway to to the target. Also, when the target is about 150 yards away, the top of the parabola will only be a few inches above a straight line drawn between the shooter and the target.

If you want to point me to an article showing how zeroing works, I’d be happy to learn.

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(Arthur Eddington, the british astronomer, made a calculation that air drag may even accelerate the high speed objects. It is weird but I checked.)

Here is an example of different zeros.

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Yes - not a perfect parabola, but pretty close. Air friction slows it down, giving it more time to react to gravity as it flies further.

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ah, an IPSC target… a kindred spirit has been found on these muddy waters of ZeroRifleExperienceDanielDistributingNonsense… refreshing… DVC, my man.

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LTC John Dean Cooper was my mentor.

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There is this well known Swiss tale that Wilhelm Tell shot an apple he himself placed on his little son’s head before. Do you also believe Wilhelm would have placed an apple on his own head and gave the crossbow to Tell jr?

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There would have been a solution to this problem.

A small hole in the circled area that was only open for 3 seconds, through which a gun was fired by a machine.

In this way, the roof of Building 6 would have acted as a physical barrier to ensure that Trump would never have been in danger.

In the same way, shots could have been fired from the rear two-story building.

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Not unless Tell Jr was an even better shot than his father.

If a professional sniper intends to miss someone elses head, only shooting near enough that the sound of shot will be heard loud and clear, then it’s almost certain that he’ll miss.

The only non-trivial risk Trump would have been taking would be that the sniper went back on the “Deal” he made with Trump, to miss. Those are the sorts of high stakes deals that Trump has made, many times … they “flow in his blood.” When Trump “bets the house”, he’s almost certainly counted the cards and knows he’ll win. Trump’s quite comfortable, even seems to enjoy, making serious “Deals” with some serious badass people.

The bullet did NOT (in my view) pass dangerously close to Trump.

A core part of my entire hypothetical scenario is that it fits well with the kind of person Trump has long been.

Trump plays high stakes games, in “Bigger than Life” very public roles, with a keen appreciation of WWE style Kayfabe drama, and has run sting operations against such dangerous thugs as have tried to destroy his “home town” (NY City), his nation, his colleague Nixon, and the parents of his colleagues, two of the Kennedy sons.

If someone is shooting an apple off someone else’s head, then that’s a risky shot, except perhaps in ideal circumstances.

I ran across this page with a bunch of Beaver County police departments, and did some searches to find their rosters / directories.

I’m putting it in a code block to prevent the forum from trying to generate lots of previews.

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https://8541tactical.com/scope%20zero.php


AR15: What Is the Best AR-15 zero? - by Justin Stapley

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Regarding Doug Mills’ viewpoint: In the upper right corner of his (cropped) NYT photograph some electric wires can be recognized. Now that I’ve seen again another aerial by “Spa Guy”, I understand that the wires are actually running between the pole and the northern barn (Nr. 16). Since such wires basically form a catenary chain and the distances between that pole and the northern barn are known in principle, it should be possible to fit theses wires based on a hyperbolic cosine function and in turn use that information together with the dimensions of the rectangular campain board to narrow down the viewpoint of Mills (which itself could be narrowed down already from the NTD stream I already linked to previously).

Have you seen Mills’ interview with Jason Goodman where he shows lots and lots of his photos from the rally?

I AM TRYING NOT TO EMAIL, but recog that there is no confidentiality. Even from here people work to affect world events. I am extremely disabled and yet meet people. I don’t believe in synchronicity. I believe in Jesus and God’s purpose. But I do seem to get quoted as I email about my passions. There is nothing in what I say that questions the real event of an attempt to… I do not ever think that Pres T would risk and endanger others. i do think that he has capacity to know more than us, and rightly so. I think that he should have 2ndry layers of defence ready to insert themselves, and have NO issue with any precautions he might add by stealth at any time. He should never have to justify that or any communications to protect himself, etc - this is imagination at play.

SO A THESIS:

The look alike to M.C is the more likely shooter in disguise of wig, and differentiated by T Shirt.

AMBER:
I run with (cautious) assumptions, based on numbers of observations about crowd movement in the minutes prior to walking on platform. They r THAT Pres T’s team knew that IF there was danger then they would have done due diligence in risk assessment.

DISCUSSION: A non-prof would take that roof, or a naive person WOULD, ONLY IF told that they could become part of 3 letter org by protecting… The wider context of WORLD & US theatrics for THE LAST 4 yrs indicates a bigger play over-riding the econ collapse of the West and how it is being enacted by both many forms and complex layers of deception. no one dare explore. I don’t only mean Perestroika, but a layered sting of counter moves. The only explanation is spiritual w@rf@re in which the world will eventually (when?) follows its savior. That last is fact - so I will work backwards as well in my analysis.
Perhaps this is why the ‘Blacklist’ TV series was not completed (the S2 Ep 20 or 22 when key character is in a movie theatre exposing to media the network of evil - I have bad memory recall - may be deleted, so likely need old DVDs).

FACT & SPEC:
The grey shirt is LIKELY? taller with developed chest, confident, etc; he is meant to stand, was carefully selected to not be mistaken for M>C. He was/is composed, skilled, physically agile, capable, not a fool… While speculation, it is also obvious in that he then has eyes on M>C, then disappears??? or not???

Add the drive by LEO who claimed to tell that need a person on that rff. He positions car to vid the door of bld6, Likely his insurance policy (uncomfortable, with something, thus interestingly immediately goes to observe the area from where a person hits M>Cs stock, placing himself in the line of fire. Had he covered he signalled? He possibly saw something on the roof that surprised/shocked him causing him to drop, had had not had a drawn pistol (it was all so casual, that???) - ie, had anyone taken a shot at M>C on the roof at any time the shot would have ended all attempts to… and it be all over…

So, we are forced to consider a darker element, NOT only a 2 shooter cons…which is likely a deliberate messy, layered distraction, but of possible 2 person involvement: one set up as if doing good, the other the real deal.

Lack of competence in physical prowess seen in M>C’s crab crawl, and the whole tossing of a zeroed wepon onto a roof - old farmers knew that bread and butter meant to respect a wepon

The 1st complexity is the discharge of w noises and reports re 4-8… Strange that the pros have not commented on the above and 8Shts4-5. They went where?
The 2nd complexity is re evidence of shots 9-10 and all other tampered evidence. The buck is made to stop with 3 letters. But, now people will believe what they choose because there is no polic, work. It comes down to what lens we view the world thru.
This causes one to question all forms of reality, which is shaped by beliefs, econ, family, health, time, jobs, interests, passions - ALL COLORS VIEW OF FACT & SPECULATION

RED:

That videoGreg saw head-brain splatter??? what exactly? blood? from where, when, how? Was he the runner who was uncomposed and could not hold a camera/mobile? I get so confused by basics.

Though believable, it would be an easy clean up if dummied… BUT surely someone videoed some of the incidents post the roof events

Also, post cremat… might identify DNA, teeth - you have a better insight than I do about this, and you know if it would have been possible, but all is scattered to wind and wave.

Interestingly, Paramount Tactical gave examples of ballistics causing brn-head splat, and said, despite Greg’s report (who took the videos), that the shot went thru the side of M.C’s face pointing left to right, which we believe it was the right to left of M>C’s face by furthest 440yrd sh0t; so they gained early inside knowledge - I ques that would be a k shot hence no head splatter, but = the bleed shown - also, had butt of wep0n been shattered there was no evidence or mention of such when enforcem… went on roof. Not that I heard or saw. I have no comment on the casualness of it all.

Who is saying make yourself small??? WHY??? Run to the shed wall unless you expect explosives to go off.

CONCLUSION:
When lad had got up to be an easy target we do not know clearly what happened (explains all the mysterious time lapses of getting on the roof, and other idiosyncrasies about the day. He either wanted to die or he thought it safe, or was plain stupid (which I do not think) - seems illogical unless he thought he had earned an oversight position, done his job… BUT if sh0t his body position would have been sideways or backwards. The only time I am aware of a clean fall/slump is if a … trajectory passes thru the spine

I could suggest more, but this goes to questioning the said splatt of brain matter, the roof structure and cavity, etc. It becomes fanciful, YET that is the point. All evidence points from start to chaos at work, dismantling/clean up & lack of TV forensics, etc.

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