Solved! Analysis Reveals Kirk Killed by Rifle Round, but Not From Robinson's Position

[mongothepawn]

Food for thought.

No exit wound.

Based on my personal experience with a low mass 0.310" hunting bullet, and this old forum topic from 2006; I think it would be worthwhile to test it at a rifle range using a cylinder shaped block of ballistics gel with embedded bones and a few narrow slugs of water as a way of testing my hypothesis that soft point or hollow point (hunting bullets) can behave in unexpected ways.

I have also been thinking about bullet stability while in flight. Long rifle bullets need faster twist barrels as the mass increases. This is why a 55 grain .224" is stabilized by a 1 in 12" twist rate barrel but a 62 grain bullet needs a 1 in 8" twist rate to be stable. Bullets that are stable in air may not be stable in a material denser than air.

Twist Rate Stability Calculator

1 in 10" twist rate is stable with the 190 grain Berger bullet

1 in 13" twist rate has marginal stability

The following images are simply to show the massive variety in 30 caliber bullets.

From left to right: 168 grain .308" Zombie Max/ Amax , Hornady 150 grain .308" FMJ, 220 grain Berry’s .308" , X-treme 150 grain .308"
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From left to right: Berger 190 grain 0.308", Hornady 225 grain .308" Match, Hornady 160 grain .308" FTX, Hornady 150 grain 0.380 Interlock, Hornady 123 grain 0.310" SST
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Hornady 175 grain .308" Sub-X
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Hornady 165 grain .308" Interlock, Hornady 165 grain .308" SST, Hornady 150 grain .308" interlock, Hornady 123 grain 0.310" Interlock, X-treme 110 grain .308"

The point of this post and the idea/message that I am trying to convey is that I don’t think we should exclude the possibility of a bullet rapidly changing directions once it hits the target and not leaving an exit wound. Many of these bullets are designed to mushroom out and deform once it hits something denser than air. Some bullets have “controlled expansion” to increase total penetration while other bullets such as the Amax rapidly deform and tear themselves apart as soon as it hits something denser than air and this is why Hornady does not recommend using the Amax as a hunting bullet.

I hope that this gives the forum readers something to think about. Is there anyone on this forum that has their own private range to test various bullet design behaviors?

[tycernc (Tycer)]

@mongothepawn

Is there anyone on this forum that has their own private range to test various bullet design behaviors?

As you pointed out bullets behave in unexpected ways once they enter a body. Bones can immediately change the trajectory.
But not soft tissue as shown in the thousands of gel tests online.
A shot placed in the soft tissue of the neck at the angle of the patsy’s position never came in contact with bone. That’s the rub. Need a quartering shot to deflect down off vertebrae into the body cavity to create the pressure signature in the chest cavity.

[mongothepawn]

The last 4 rifles/carbines that I have purchased have been of the 45 flavor.

Ruger Made Marlin 1895 Trapper 16" barrel
Henry All Weather 45 Colt 20" barrel
Rossi R92 454 Casull 20" barrel
Rossi R95 454 Casull 18" barrel

I do hand load for the 454 Casull rifles but I mostly handload the “Ruger/Tc Only” 45 Colt loads topped with the 250 or 225 grain 0.452" FTX bullets. These loads use Lil’Gun powder with pressures slightly higher than the 44 Magnum. The COL of a 45 Colt case with the 250 grain FTX is close to the max COL allowed for the 454 Casull.

I have considered buying a 3D printer to see if I can make plastic accelerators to hold a 200 grain or higher .308" bullet for use in the Rossi R92. Imagine how fast 65 kpsi would push a 200 grain bullet down a 20" barrel! The Rossi does not have a threaded barrel and it is cost prohibitive to add one. The lack of a muzzle device makes it the perfect rifle to shoot saboted loads.

The Rossi R92 is deceptively fun to shoot. I drilled and tapped holes in the rear of the receiver just behind the locking lugs and installed an XS Ghost ring meant for a 94AE. The sight radius is 22" and kicks hard with the full power 454 Casull.

[tycernc (Tycer)]

@mongothepawn

Rossi R92

Have you bought Nate Kiowa Jones’ dvd and parts kit for the 92s? Worth every penny and minute spent.
https://stevesgunz.com/

[mongothepawn]

I bought his rear plug sight from Stevesgunz

The sight broke and I had to drill and tap it to “bubba fix it”.

I just recently added an XS Ghost Ring sight meant for the 94AE and I like it a lot more.

I prefer the R92 over the R95 because of the massive beach ball sized fireball that the R95 makes with full power 454 Casull. The R92 has two additional inches and does not make a fireball.

[jbrayali (Josef Bray-Ali)]

Ian Carroll drove 2200 miles from New York to visit Utah Valley University in person.

More Questions than Answers: On the Scene at Utah Valley University

His impressions and first person perspective of the campus don’t answer all our questions, but they do answer some. There is A LOT of time spent looking at an HVAC duct poking out of a rooftop!

I skipped through big sections of dialogue and mostly watched the in-person footage of various rooftops and nooks on campus.

[jim-h-2 (Jim H)]

@cmartenson

But one thing I do NOT hear is drone rotors. Those things are noisy. If there were non-noisy ones I guarantee you I would have not heard them in the Ukraine conflict.

I know… and that was really the point of my post. The technology to apply noise cancellation to drones has been explored… it’s out there.

Noise Reduction Techniques for Drones

Figure 23: Drone with speaker arrays and acoustic sensors for active noise cancellation system
The system works by blending two different anti-noise approaches based on their reliability in each situation. When flight conditions match the predicted parameters, the system relies heavily on the pre-computed cancellation signals that have proven effective across the drone fleet. However, when sensors detect deviations from the expected acoustic signature, the system automatically shifts toward real-time corrections derived from onboard microphones and accelerometers.

[flyingdoc]

@mongothepawn

Bullets that are stable in air may not be stable in a material denser than air.

yes, thats the key metric bullet designers grapple with… designing a bullet that is stable in flight, but unstable in tissue (to make it tumble asap, increasing energy transfer into the target) … but Chris’s point is well made: there are no gel examples where the bullet turns 90 degrees at the point of impact - it may do so later, but only after losing a lot of velocity - before it slows down, its forward momentum resists rapid changes in direction, and requires so much force that the bullet breaks up.

[kincses-zsolt]

@mongothepawn

You hear the “angry bee” sound if the bullet gets close to you.

I have to apologize. You are right.
When the projectile whistles and you are off the trajectory, indeed you can hear the Doppler shift. Here is my simulation.

+EDIT:

Apparent conspiracy is not always spelled out expressis verbis among the apparent conspirators. Everyone is just doing own stupid thing - with a net result.

It is like the effect described by Adam Smith - Invisible Hand.

The “invisible hand” is a metaphor by Adam Smith describing how individuals pursuing their own self-interest in a free market inadvertently benefit society, leading to efficient resource allocation and public good, even without intentional social goals. This occurs because their actions are guided by market forces, driven by factors like supply, demand, and competition, resulting in outcomes that serve the collective interest.

@lamarth

Mongo and I were talking about the buzzing of the bullet after the crack passes, which is apparently regular enough to notice the doppler effect.

By the way, I try to calculate the shockwave-report delay. It is pretty complicated, seems no closed formula. I’ll try to do it numerically.
Can someone tell me what velocities and distances should be calculated.

@phasefive

A 30-06 was the weapon found in the woods by the FBI that is owned by Tyler Robinson.

I’m not sure that it was really the weapon and ammo used.

[dotmatrix]

@cmartenson

Chris - In case you didn’t know, your video was referred to by Joel Skousem on Alex Jones Infowars.

https://x.com/realalexjones/status/1972804886061596721?s=46&t=oxDl1NjkQ5U4xkmEFlih3w

[lamarth]

@kincses-zsolt

Apparent conspiracy is not always spelled out expressis verbis among the apparent conspirators. Everyone is just doing own stupid thing - with a net result.

It is like the effect described by Adam Smith - Invisible Hand.

The “invisible hand” is a metaphor by Adam Smith describing how individuals pursuing their own self-interest in a free market inadvertently benefit society, leading to efficient resource allocation and public good, even without intentional social goals. This occurs because their actions are guided by market forces, driven by factors like supply, demand, and competition, resulting in outcomes that serve the collective interest.

That’s the entire concept behind my substack articles. I’ve been trying to identify agents made by non-explicit conspiracy and tie them to ancient names and wisdom. The Invisible Hand would be Mammon being a good deity, if you can restrict his freedom just right. A little bit more freedom and you get planned obsolescence - then it goes downhill from there.

@kincses-zsolt

By the way, I try to calculate the shockwave-report delay. It is pretty complicated, seems no closed formula. I’ll try to do it numerically.

That surprises me a little, but I’m not going to worry about playing with the Maths right now unless there’s a specific purpose.

@kincses-zsolt

Can someone tell me what velocities and distances should be calculated.

I’m also happy to calculate if it’s useful. If the Maths doesn’t work out, gradient descent cracks these things really easily, and it’s trivial to implement with PyTorch, especially with some AI assistance.

[peakcovid]

Chris’s video got a shoutout by Larry Johnson on a ‘Redacted’ interview:

- YouTube

I because if if they’re going to get this Tyler Robinson kit into court right away, this this video that I recommended to you by Chris Martinson, all all his defense attorney has to do is show that video. There’s no more case because they have to do this is the video. Let’s put it up here on the screen. We just have a screenshot of Chris just so people can watch this. It’s an excellent analysis here. Um called analysis solves Kirk Case. Evidence points away from Robinson’s position. And he says 100% Tyler Robinson did not fire that shot.

[cmartenson (Chris Martenson)]

@mongothepawn

No exit wound. | The High Road

I have no objection to bullets mushrooming and tumbling once they encounter bone…

The problem is from the supposed shooting perch to the wound on Charlie’s neck there are no bones after that if we draw a straight line.

So now we’re up to imagining that a .30-06 can somehow deflect/deviate significantly within the first couple of inches of the softest flesh a human body can offer up.

But, absolutely, shoot cylinders of gel and see what happens. But if you’re going to put any bones in there, be sure they are as close to human neck bones as possible. That is, ultra weak on the tubercles.

[quercus-bicolor-2 (Quercus bicolor)]

And let’s not forget this Alex Jones segment shared in reply 196 in this thread:

Solved! Analysis Reveals Kirk Killed by Rifle Round, but Not From Robinson's Position

This seems to coordinate with Chris’ higher angle shot. https://x.com/RealAlexJones/status/1969905525249749237

In it, Alex recounts a conversation with the alleged pathologist who performed the autopsy that more or less exactly matches Chris’s theory about the bullet’s path in Charlie’s body. He’s one step away from noting that couldn’t have been a bullet fired from Robinson’s position.

Of course there is the chance that Jones got bad information from someone who had watched Chris’s video first.

[scarlberg (Patriot83)]

https://x.com/benwehrman/status/1972771526006161618?s=46

[allaninvietnam (Allan)]

My guess is that these repairs and renovations were probably planned months ago and were in open tender. It would be very suspicious to perform these renovations without a public tender for this work.

I have to believe that the police had completed their investigation and had approved the renovations. There is no way such renovations would be permitted if this was still an active crime scene investigation.

This sort of thing, after such a high profile event makes for great conspiracy theories.

[daniel59]

@scarlberg

https://x.com/benwehrman/status/1972771526006161618?s=46

They did the same thing in Butler. They simply built a new barn.

Now it is no longer possible to reconstruct the crime scene there either.

[technerd]

Thank you Chris for doing another great job analyzing the rooftop video. Note that in a single frame, a strong shadow appears as the runner crosses over onto the white roof. Then the shadow gets edited out. The obvious supposition is to hide the shadow of the rifle.
Also note that the sidewalks do not line up on the left and right side of the tree on the mid-right and the sidewalk on the right has no red curb, noting that there is a red curb on the entire length of that short street. The widths are different and the person to the right of the disappearing person crosses in front of something that looks like a fire hydrant that isn’t there in Google Earth/Maps. That would also be a ridiculous place for a fire hydrant. There is a white sign, but that is much farther to the right and much higher as the person crosses past it below his waist.
Keep up the excellent work!!

[michael-shrimpton]

Impressive analysis, raising serious questions. I have no problem with Robinson being involved but it was clearly a conspiracy. You are right with respect to suspect deep state involvement. On my analysis the assassination was set up by the Correa Group in Frankfurt, part of the covert German DVD and the subject of my intelligence history Spyhunter (3rd edition just published by AuthorHouse).

[john6280]

I don’t understand why people aren’t watching the video from rangedaybro. It is so clear that Charlie’s head/hair react to being shot before his neck wound appears, and then after the neck wound his shirt is pushed forward and blood appears on his shirt. This could only happen if shot from his back-right. And yes, definitely not shot directly from from his right side.