Actually, I’m non-partisan, if not downright anti-partisan. “TPTB” includes a wide range of partisan powers who have earned various fitting nicknames, not least of all Orange Julius. Surely there is room on PP for nonpartisan political speculation?
The political bottom line during pandemics: What are the trade-offs between public health and civil rights, and who gets to decide?
You are refering to the president ( I assume ? ) using a soda name as a derogatory dig. That is partisan.
Now, discussion policies and why you think they are bad or good, that is what is normal for this site. Not partisan name calling
that the very high numbers and intensity in Wuhan might be correlated to their appallingly high industrial pollution, so the population is already unusually vulnerable.
https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020/01/27/what-are-the-chinese-hiding-in-wuhan/
11:39 am: Cramer warns against buying amid virus fears
CNBC’s Jim Cramer said on “Squawk Box” that there were too many unknowns about the coronavirus to be a buyer in the stock market. The market could take another dip if the World Health Organization declares the outbreak a global emergency, Cramer said. “I just think you’re coming in on quicksand here,” Cramer said. — Pound
Jeff stay safe. Thank you for your service. As a RN I agree they need to speed up State Public Health labs ability to do this testing.
I just made some helpful suggestions based on our experience and several years of research and experimentation (our own). To my recollection, not one time did we come across anything carcinogenic in any of the essential oils. If I/we had, it would have been mentioned. I can assure you, cancer/disease/illness avoidance is on our radar 24/7.
I realize some people have a sensitivity to skin/smell of EO’s, that is theirs to determine. Some of the oils are a bit hot and can cause skin irritation. It is up to the user to determine which ones will not work for them.
If you have any helpful/factual information on EO’s, by all means share it with us. I can go anywhere and get unsupported comments out of thin air.
Thank God that we can still make suggestions and also choose to decide what is best for ourselves.
Jay, I want to echo AO’s welcome as a new member.
But this is not a political discussion group and your “political bottom line” is not a proper subject. We are not political scientists. Instead we are mostly real scientists, engineers, agriculturists and other DIY people who get our hands dirty on reality. We wash our hands often because of this but avoid getting our minds dirty on vacuous political nonsense, which just wastes precious time.
Creation of wealth (the real source of Peak Prosperity) based on real life experience with food, water, energy and the environment is kind of inconsistent with Political Bottom Lines.
In fact, some of us are working on resilient independent community development BECAUSE we no longer need Washington DC, Tokyo, Beijing, Munich, London etc. They need us but we don’t need them. This is related to the same arguments made between Jefferson and Hamilton when America was formed. For many of us, freedom and peak prosperity arise from removal from entanglement with the political arena and the banker machinations that accompany it. Political Bottom Lines can be seen as a hindrance to Peak Prosperity from this view. But that is another subject that requires more space than a simple keyboard squirt of chit chat crap.
There is much here for you at Peak Prosperity (as opposed to Peak Politics) and one of these things perhaps is a new perspective on the world. We are too busy for Political Bottom Lines and I hope that you find out why and look around the site.
Hi AndyS,
This looks like an interesting article from the few paragraphs I was able to read. However, there’s a registration/paywall that prevents access to the full article. Would you be so kind as to pull key excerpts from the article and/or provide a summary? Thanks!
https://apple.news/AfIbdlZoeQAiwndnd_T7JHQ
good article from south China morning post discussing economic (GDP) impacts from the quarantines and lockdowns.
certainly an interesting angle to think about, since it focuses on the impact of the “public health measures” already implemented, regardless of whether the outbreak itself gets more or less severe.
I’m a chiropractor with 35+ years’ experience and a lot of study of nutrition. It’s way beyond what can be accomplished in a post to educate people about supplements they can take to strengthen their immune system, but they are out there…but not so much in most stores that carry poor quality supplements.
Start taking a daily MINIMUM of 5,000 i.u’s [125mcg] of vitamin D3. If you have gastrointestinal problems or recently finished a regimen of antibiotics, you need quality probiotics. A diet high in fiber [some needs to be from raw fruits or vegetables] will be what [the pre-biotics] the probiotics multiply on.
Have gallons of pure water to drink, particularly between meals. When sick being well hydrated is essential to a more rapid recovery.
That’s the URL description of an article BY AROMATHERAPISTS describing toxic and carcinogenic properties of certain essential oils.
BillL
I realize that you were just trying to be helpful but as the saying goes, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. If you could elucidate on the nature of your research and experimentation, we can better determine if it was your impressions, opinions, or beliefs that drove your choices or if it was truly valid research backed by sound experimental design, data, etc.
What I stated was not extracted “out of thin air”. Here’s the article noted above.
https://www.alliance-aromatherapists.org/assets/Undiluted-are%20we%20in%20denial.pdf
And another.
https://www.webmd.com/beauty/news/20180813/essential-oils-promise-help-but-beware-the-risks
I started to become more wary when I noted that EOs were being sold in multi-level marketing schemes.
“The U.S. government is increasing staff to conduct screenings at 20 airports that handle almost all passengers traveling into the country from China, where a novel coronavirus continues to spread, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Details of the expanded surveillance are still being formulated. The CDC already has quarantine facilities in place at 20 ports of entry, including Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego, Seattle, Anchorage, Honolulu, Boston, New York, Philadelphia, Washington, Atlanta, Miami and Houston.”
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CNN is claiming that:
“So unless you’re treating a patient with the coronavirus, the N95 respirator isn’t necessary, he said.”
This seems to contradict the CDC website.
”You should wear a facemask when you are in the same room with other people and when you visit a healthcare provider. If you cannot wear a facemask, the people who live with you should wear one while they are in the same room with you.”
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/28/health/coronavirus-us-masks-prevention-trnd/index.html
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/guidance-prevent-spread.html?CDC_AA_refVal=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fcoronavirus%2F2019-ncov%2Fguidance-prevent-spread.html
They’re probably worried about the logistics of providing enough for healthcare workers and trying to discourage the general public. Some hacks are purchasing and reselling them for 500$ a pop.
A good deal of painting/sanding masks accept n100 filters, which are as effective as n95’s, and won’t be snagged up as quickly.
Do N95 masks really help? Someone on twitter pointed out that N95 filters down to .3 microns. SARS, which is a coronavirus, is 100nm according to NIH (link below). 100nm is .1 microns, so would the 2019 nCov be similar in size, and render the N95 useless? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12796822
Do N95 masks really help? Someone on twitter pointed out that N95 filters down to .3 microns. SARS, which is a coronavirus, is 100nm according to NIH (link below). 100nm is .1 microns, so would the 2019 nCov be similar in size, and render the N95 useless? https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12796822Here's what I wrote in an earlier comment (lots of good info getting buried unfortunately):
This is important, a little complicated, but not too much. Different sorts of viruses get transmitted in different ways. The avian flu viruses are real pains in the butt because they “aerosolize.” That’s essentially being shed as a pure virus particle that can be breathed out into the air. These are very small particles, but not all the way as small as individual virus particles. Here’s some data on avian transmission:Reader Comment: I decided to do a search on the size of viruses vs. the stated efficiency of N95 masks. Per the FDA, the N95 “respirator blocks at least 95 percent of very small (.03 micron) test particles”.
A search on the size of viruses gave me the following summary, “.004 to 0.1 microns in size, which is about 100 times smaller than bacteria”.
Poultry-to-human avian influenza (AI) virus transmission can occur from 3 types of exposure: fomite-contact transmission, including contact with contaminated surfaces; droplet transmission, in which large (>5 μm) particles contact a person’s conjunctiva or respiratory mucosa; and droplet nuclei transmission (or aerosol transmission), in which a person inhales small (<5 μm) particles suspended in the air. (Source)Corona viruses, on the other hand, are not known to have the aerosolization feature. With the one caveat that it’s always possible that the 2019-ncov is different, other known and studied cornaviruses spread mainly by droplets (>5 um).
When person-to-person spread has occurred with MERS and SARS, it is thought to have happened mainly via respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes, similar to how influenza and other respiratory pathogens spread. Spread of SARS and MERS between people has generally occurred between close contacts. (Source – CDC)Bottom line: N95 masks are perfectly useful for protection against other coronaviruses, and I would expect that to be true here as well. (Of course, we’ll keep a close eye on it all in case that proves untrue). Also: No mask is worth the effort if worn improperly! Might as well not have it. This means a snug fit where you are not breathing ‘around’ the mask.
Thanks for the Asimov reference. Homeopathic medicine can solve this problem. In fact, there are even homeopathic type vaccines that strengthen the immune system available for this virus right now. Our medical system from hell has thoroughly discredited and propagandized against this healing art. Fear porn pushed by the establishment. Check it out.
US chartered flight from China’s coronavirus zone rerouted to March Air Reserve Base
“The flight, with more than 200 people aboard, is now scheduled to arrive at March Air Reserve Base in Riverside County, California, about 30 miles from where the flight was originally scheduled to land, in Ontario, California, just outside of Los Angeles.”
"Once there, all passengers will be quarantined for at least three days and monitored by the CDC, per the official. Those who show signs of the illness and need to be tested could be held for as many as 14 days. Passengers are being monitored along the way and if anyone gets sick in the air, they may be separated in Alaska and flown onward independently, the U.S. official said. "
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