Right
We really need to look at this hypothesis badly.
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His voice is really soft. So it feels like any moment heâs going to tell you a secret. Something he thought of himself or figured out. But itâs never info like that. He only whispers the myths of the media. So youâre always a little aggravated at him.
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Iâm still interested RawRoku
What does the 13 secs mean?
Think about this from Crooks perspective. After being surprised from behind by a cop pulling himself up on the roof, Crooks turns his gun toward the cop (i.e., northward) and sees the cop disappear (and perhaps hears him radioing/calling for help). How does Crooks know that it is safe for him to swivel away from where the cop was and get into a prone firing position to start unloading on Trump? How can Crooks be confident that the cop wonât come right back and shoot or taze him, or perhaps that someone else might be alerted to his presence and immediately shoot him? Are we supposed to believe that a twenty-year old kid on his first(?) major assassination assignment would not panic here, but rather is able to calmly swivel around, get in a stable prone firing position, and get off fairly accurate shots - all within 38 seconds?! Yes, maybe a pro could do the quick swivel and get off an accurate shot, but even a pro ought to be concerned that he might get shot from behind by the cop. What am I missing here?
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Those guys seem awful calm and relaxed, donât they? Youâd think they would have been upset about letting a sniper get 8 shots off before finding him.
But various sources say the snipers that actually took out Crooks were posted at the spots marked âButler ESUâ or âWashington Co. Sniperâ on the map.
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Youâre missing what was going through Crooksâ mind. Iâld go ask him for you, butâŠ
That is one thing weâll never know for certain, unless a bigger plot to assassinate Trump is exposed and the planners or handlers testify truthfully as to what Crooks was told.
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Your questions present good thought provoking considerations. Off the top of my head:
- Crooks knows thereâs cops and people that see him, and he has a small window and some urgency to get into position. Iâm sure he could hear or even see the patrol car entering the parking lot to his left. Maybe hear the cops below talking and getting boosted up.
- The first 3 shots are more accurate, calm, and collected. I believe, from a bunch of evidence, this was a professional shooter. But we do see Crooks in position when shot 1 fires, itâs just not clear if he recoils or not.
- I do at this point believe the totality of the evidence shows Crooks only fired shots 4-8.
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this is absolutely true, but it is very hard to get through to Chris (@cmartenson) to direct his people to consider alternative shooter positions like the highest building behind crooksâŠ
I have been trying to convince Chrisâ people for a week now, and they are so biased towards âit must have been crooks or someone from within this buildingâ that any other possibility is dismissed and gas lit immediatelyâŠ
when I then point out that the 3D CAD model they use may be less accurate than everybody believes, they get very defensive and dig their heels into concreteâŠ
I find it very strange that bias and prejudice, and even cognitive dissonance, play such a big role in globally distributed quest to figure out what really happened at that rallyâŠ
Iâll help you out. I have some questions. Is each pin drop the end of a bullet? there are 6
Yours is just one Hypothesis among many. Just because we donât drop everything and bow down to your brilliance doesnât mean its not in the mix. Youâre just one of many working on this problem.
You present an attitude that makes it hard to be one of the team.
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yes, each of these pins in the front part (there are also 3 pins in the background) represents a bullet contact, but there are fewer bullets involved than the number of pins 
actually, there are 7 pins in the foreground: the behind the D of Dutch you will also see a pinâŠ
- the first bullet grazed Trumpâs ear (2nd pin if you count from left to right)
- then the first bullet grazed/touched/penetrated the railing of the right bleacher (6th pin)
- and the first bullet ended up in the beam of the JCB hydraulic lift (pin 7)
there is no clarity about which persons got hit by which bullets after the
first bullet:
- David Dutch (5th pin, as the 4th pin is covered by the D of Dutch) may have been hit by the first bullet, or he was hit by bullet 2 or 3. from the videos it is not clear he was hit by the 1st or a subsequent one. it is, however, clear that it was with bullets 2 or 3âŠ
- James Copenhaver (pin 4) was hit by bullet 3 or 2 (if bullet 2 hit David Dutch, bullet 3 hit James Copenhaver and vice versa)
- there was a nephew of a US senator that was grazed in the neck by one of the bullets 4-8 (pin 3)
- and the first pin is that of Corey Comperatore who was shot dead by one of the bullets 4-8
in the background, there are 3 pins:
- the pin that corresponds with the man on the roof who was shot dead and to whom everybody was looking and pointing
- in the background you see two other pins. these are the ones for the two rifles that must have been used. letâs assume that both rifles were used by the same person
- one rifle was, according to my view, a sniper rifle that fired the first 3 rounds
- the second rifle was a fully automatic rifle with 5 cartridges in the magazine
I just read this in the first principles thread, just two minutes before you start again to attack H. from the sidelines. Please stop.
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Just my opinion from having been around the AGR building multiple times. Your hypothesis is good in theory but two things trip me up with it.
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is the snick boom/echo analysis which Iâm taking at face value because I only know what others a lot smarter than me have claimed.
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is if someone shot from the building you suspect, I think someone wouldâve known those reports came from the top of that building. That building sits closest to any road. Thatâs a very busy location on any day let alone the day in question. There are businesses right across the street from that building, and then you add in the security, foot traffic, and traffic control, and even an untrained ear that was on that side of the building would be able to tell X number of shots came from right there, and the others were farther south. We just havenât heard this from anybody.
If shots came from the south side of the building under Crooks, they had to come from the vent pictured. There are no holes cut in the wall and the windows are too low. To shoot from the windows youâd have to shoot through two chain link fences and any people milling around. This vent is the only place that remotely lines up with Trump. If itâs not this vent, the shots came from above Trump. Itâs blatantly clear when youâre on the property.
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you make such a good point!
people take the different analyses at face value and assume the person who made the analysis knows what they are doingâŠ
as you may have noticed, I have been asking for days now which speed of sound was used for the sound analyses.
so far, I got a couple of relevant replies, and I thank the people who replied greatly).
meanwhile, I have also checked out how the sound analyses have been performed and what parameters they usedâŠ
so, what did I learn?
I got very sad⊠it turns out they used an average of several bullet speeds to determine/guestimate the distances from which the bullets must have come from, and they use the wikipedia value for the speed of sound.
I am in the process of adding circles to my kml file that represent the calculated distance based on the speed of sound value calculated on the temperature at the time the shots were fired and the altitude above sea level of the rally area, and then we will see what we get for the different calibers and rifle typesâŠ
before the sergeant exploded, he gave good input for the different velocities and calibers he finds reasonable as the ones that may have been used.
I will use these values and see what comes outâŠ
what happened so far is that many hypotheses and ideas have been thrown out and dismissed and gas lit based on guestimated that were based on parameters/inputs that may not have made sense when compared to realityâŠ
yes, but as you have noticed in your drone footage, there is a kind of casing around that roof towards the street and parking side of the building.
if you shoot a gun from just above the roof top the sound will not propagate to the street and that part of the parking, but towards the trees and the rally area
in my opinion, it is very likely that the first 3 shots were fired with a suppressed sniper rifle, and firing these shots would not have been heard easilyâŠ
if a sniper uses a suppressed rifle with hypersonic ammunition, you would hear the bullet fly by and you would hear the impact and there would not be any echoâŠ
for the bullets 4-8, there are two possibilities: either they have been shot by the man who died on the lower roof, or they were fired by the man on the high roof.
the first case is easy, and a couple of things would not have to be explained in detail.
in the second case, the sound of the full auto rifle would
- still propagate much less to the street and parking due to the casing around the roof at these sides, and
- people standing near the trees would not easily be able to distinguish between the two locations
- people around the parking and near where RealDjStew said to the girl that she should make herself small would not hear a big difference either as they would associate it with an echo reflecting on and coming from the high building
- people further to the rally area would not be able to make the distinction either
and for the people who think they saw some muzzle flash, that is perfectly possible: as soon as you are, e.g., 70-100 yards from the lowest building you cannot distinguish between a muzzle flash coming from the lower or the higher buildingâŠ
and do not forget that the people were primed to believe/assume where the shots came fromâŠ
that is a factor that should not be underestimated either!
I do not believe in the vent theory⊠that is a hoax that has been seeded by the fast buriers of information.
as I explained in another post, there are 5 videos in which drones are supposed to have been seenâŠ
now it turns out that the phone of RealDjStew has been confiscated by the fast buriers of information and he got it back only 3 days laterâŠ
I would not be surprised that the 4 other phones on which drones have been sighted had been confiscated by the same agencyâŠ
lucky me that I am not into speculation
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Well, and IIRC about 200 m further north, across a nursery and the street youâll find a gun shop with a big indoor shooting range.
Youâve not got me there yet but your hypothesis is very good, but you ballistic/sound experts are going to have to come together on the echos and distance. Until then everything is an assumption. Why donât you all individually plug in the same data and see what you come up with?
If the 2nd shooter is on the tallest building how do you surmise he came down undetected? Off the west side onto the roof Crooks came up on?
From my drone footage where was Trumpâs podium? I know heâs in front of the barns but can we get an exact position from my drone shot?
If I went back to AGR is there anything I can drone that would help anybody?
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