offtheback, do I understand you right that you w’d like to correlate the filtered shot 4 signals with the filtered audio track between 15 and 35 seconds?
Sorry, Sir. But even if you like many others disrespect the subject of this thread, it is still audio analysis, not general ideas.
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I accept your answer.
I think we are now 90% in agreement with hypothesis about shots coming from window 3 and simply at this moment disagree with the fact that there is video evidence caught on the body cam BWC2-122110 with a smoking gun.
Since there is only one truth, hopefully we can all find out at a later stage what really happend.
There’s a time and place for scientific accuracy, but to date, we have received multiple different versions of various sets of “facts”, things are being changed constantly, new information is added, etc…
So for now, it seems fine for people to be creative and think outside the box in general, unless there is actual contradictory evidence or zero reason to make an assumption.
Example: Sniper that left trying to initially insinuate that he spotted Crooks on a table when he left. Well, he didn’t. Because Crooks was at the vendors at that time. But it was real nice for them to leave that out there for awhile as if it was Crooks.
I share some of your concern. So let me give you some hard data to use in your critiques. I can measure this because I have a CAD drawing of the site from which to make these measurements.
The distance from the AGR building to Trump is 450’ and then from Trump to the rear corner of the bleacher is 80’. if Trump’s ear is the fulcrum of a see-saw… moving the right (bleacher) side 1" moves the back projection (left side of the see-saw) 5.525". So you can use 5.525 as a multiplier on any error you suspect in either Trumps ear position or in the bleacher hit position. If Trump is 1" lower and the hit at the bleacher 1" higher, then you have an 11" error when you back trace the bullet. It is very probable our models are off by that much or more.
Likewise, even if the models are right, but the bullet trajectory is altered by 1" by hitting Trump’s ear, then the back projection is again off by 5.5". I can easily believe that the bullet could have tumbled after hitting Trumps ear and the trajectory altered 1" maybe 2" at the most. But it seems unlikely in my mind that the tiny soft tissue hit would deviate a trajectory of a bullet traveling at 2500+ ft/sec more than an 1" or 2" in 80 feet.
You can extrapolate the 5.5 multiplier to what every number you believe the models might be off. For example, if you believe the Trump/bleacher positions are off 1 foot, then the back trace is off by 5.5 feet. But there is still a range of certainty where you can trust the models to exclude the impossible. They certainly exclude the water tower and the three open windows. I believe they also exclude the 2nd shooter in the canopy (the canopy over the entry to AGR) and a shooter from the roof immediately behind Crooks if the shooter was next to the 2 story window. The models are good enough to put those to rest.
I believe they also exclude a shooter from the roof of the other 2 story building that is far behind Crooks, though a shot from a 2nd story window from that building would be right over Crooks’ head and is not excluded by the models (even though I think the audio data excludes this option).
So what are we left with: Crooks shooting all 8 shots or a 2nd shooter somewhere in the facade below Crooks. Roger knows this. He knows, if there is a 2nd shooter, the shooter is either from a vent or window. He is sorting out the options for the community to critique and improve.
One final note. The plan positions of the models are much more accurate than the vertical height locations, since the plan comes from aerial photographs and clear plan drawings of the site. So left/right accuracy (looking down) of the models are very trustworthy.
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To be clear:
- The text message Woods sent did not describe Crooks.
- Woods didn’t testify that it was Crooks.
- Nicol’s CNN testimony suggested it was Crooks, but didn’t state it directly. (Intentional misdirection or just assumed?)
- The FBI did state it was “the suspect” who was sighted. (Based on interview with Woods and/or Nicol?)
- The “fake news” went with it being Crooks.
I had it figured as Crooks based on Nicol’s CNN interview statement, but dropped that after the Vendor Alley sighting was confirmed accurate. Here is Nicol’s CNN statement:
“Nicol thought little of the text at the time, he said. Nor did he immediately connect it to a slightly built, long haired young man he saw sitting below the window where he was stationed at AGR about 45 minutes later.”
The assumption being he subsequently connected it to Crooks.
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It would be disingenuous to act as if misinformation hasn’t been purposefully spread by multiple people involved with the case, seemingly for insinuation purposes. It’s happened again and again. Full stop.
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Hey all Audio Analysis,
I just came across this one. Maybe nobody has seen this one yet?
Bodycam BWC2-122110 with audio with all 10 shots?
@bumblebeeez, sorry, this video seems to debunk your theory claiming the body cam does not catch the shooting on camera. It seems at first sight that the flash comming from window 3 is shot 2 or 3?
I will need more time to analyse.
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Some of the evidence being presented is getting stranger by the day. I’m more convinced than ever that Crooks fired all 8 shots. I’ll be there on Monday with another investigator. I’ll report my findings/opinions. Hopefully, I’ll be able to bring something to this investigation that has yet to be revealed. I will be droning, interviewing, and photographing.
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Hi @pk2019,
Yes, filtered. Otherwise we are trying to correlate crowd noise. We CAN correlate a filtered shot 4 for instance with the original audio track and it shouldn’t be much different, as the crowd noise won’t correlate.
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Great work you’re doing with CAD modelling the site, thanks for that.
One thing I’d like to ask: Have you also integrated the big red combine harvester into your model? Not sure but to me it seems that could have blocked shots from the 3 windows towards the stage.
Here is a screenshot from the RSBN livestream showing stage and combine harvester
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It also didn’t clearly state if it was another car that “parked by our cars”. Could it also be a motorbike? Do we know at what time the motorbike in front of door 9 pulled up into the parking lot?
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I simply don’t beleive the legends around him. I don’t beleive he searched for mass shouting. There might be lot more victims in this case. I cannot check what he really searched for, but all this is yellow-red category for me.
Good observation. I don’t have the harvester in my drawings and I looked for a photo to locate it but could find nothing better than the photo you provided. So it appears that the line of fire from the three windows is around 10’2" above the ground where the harvester is parked. If they shot at the very top of the windows, it could be 10’8". Not sure how high a harvester is but it looks higher than that. So the harvester could indeed block the view of Trump. No wonder Nicol had to move :-).
Why is that harvester parked there anyway? As a side note, one audio analyst said the sound signature for the 10th shot came from a location where the harvester was, suggesting someone on the harvester took Crooks out. I didn’t research that.
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Yes, the motorcycle guy was interviewed on Paramount Tactical, and if memory serves, he said he arrived just as Trump’s intro song was playing.
I timed it at 6:02 pm.
Oh…I just noticed you gave me a link to the harvester specs:
“Transport height 4.763 m” or 15.6 feet. Yeah that screws up the shots.
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By the way, we have the opportunity to extend our native language by ‘Fremdwörter’ with very specific meaning (english, german, latin etc). I never use them as in everiday conversiations allowed.
I’ve been thinking about the idea what theoretical physicist say: correlate wavelength-compatible regions. You know, I’m nit very satisfied with digital filters I can ever make. So I’ll try to correlate 1 period of sine (as projection operator).
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Good question, why was the harvester parked there?
According to the technical specs, the harvester has a transport height of 15.6 feet. Might be this black flaps on the top add a few feet.
Here is a picture from the fenceline west of AGR6
Drone footage from the Monday after the shooting
I’m not sure but think it was Greg Nichols in one of his early audio analysis.
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Different security people have stated that, if they can’t eliminate a possible area of danger. That they will place something in between as a screen of the line of sight. If a sniper can’t see the target, they can’t shoot the target.
If they had placed three 45’ long 13.6’ high big rig dry vans, nose to tail, in that area, it would have removed any sniper danger from the AGR complex.
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