thanks!
Nice. Iâll give these a try.
Nit pick: shouldnât âfottageâ be âfootageâ instead, my friend @vt1 ?
You seem to be âin a grooveâ for knocking out these difficult geolocations. So, how about doing âRoss!â at shot 10? He moved northward from the tree between shots 9 and 10. I have a pretty good idea of where he went, but you are obviously very good at this, so âŠ
We could find a lot of new information and data points. Therefore, it was necessary to update our âPeak Prosperity joint citizen investigation, bullet back-tracing projectâ drawing which is now version 7.
A big help was to get the high accuracy butler rally footprint drone view in full hd thanks to @sherlock-holmes (thanks! 
)
giving us now the following corrected position in relation with the Google maps picture:
So if anybody wants to verify the new drawing below, please use this picture as a reference.
Another major finding was that we finally could find the exact impact point into the bleachers coming from shot 1! This is a very good finding and it is very clear now, that the bullet impacts on the top railing!
Please have a look at the video on X:
This makes it a straight forward data point, which is simply the total height of the bleachers, namely 12.36 feet, see ref 274:
Another good finding is the homepage https://www.randymajors.org/ giving us the exact same sea levels as our previous method with KML data from Land ID, but the advantage is that the numbers are indicated directly 2-3 digit decimal points. special thanks to @khunter:
One thing that has been confirmed from a witness at site, is the fact that there are still notches exactly in the trajectory between window 2 and Trumps ear / bleacher corner. This seems to be evidence that has not been covered up yet. Please keep this in mind when looking at this picture:
I have simply updated all the above-mentioned data, and the trajectory of the back traced bullet CAD model confirms the same origin as seen in the body cam BWC2122110 video, namely the first shot comes from window 2.
Here is version 7, of which it has now become very clear and straightforward. I have never found such a document coming from another source, giving all the data completely open and transparent, subject to debate. This is the way it should be!
Here are some screen shots from the 3D view:
The shooter on the roof is not in line to hit Trumps ear and then impact into the bleachers as seen as follows:
For those who want to know more about the body cam video and the findings, that the first shot is seen in body cam BWC2122110 comming from window 2 and following the audio pattern taken from stewarts video. It turned out that the shot we first concentrated on coming from window 3 is: shot 7.
Anybody can go and download one specific body cam video from the 12 set videos officially released from Butler Township PD, namely file:
1382_202407131800_BWC2122110-0RATF.mp4.
It is the original body cam video in super HD, file size is 1.8GB
Click on this dropbox link:
I recommend everybody to do that, since we donât know how long this Dropbox will still be online.
Fast forward to 11Min 27 sec and you can see the alleged first shot:
For more detailed information go to the following post:
I am very busy and will be taking a longer brake at this moment, but I am sure all objective investigators here in this forum who have the true intention to find out the truth will be able to take on these topics that are subject to be debunkedâŠ
Thank you guys for all of your help and a special thank you to Chris, who made this forum possible.
Together we are strong!
Disclaimer:
This is just a hypothetical analysis subject to be debunked. This is for âcitizen investigationâ purposes only.
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If you hear shot 3 at the same time the JCB hydraulic lift is hit, then it was shot 3 that hit.
Here as a comparison the puff on the rail video. The puff is seen/heared at the same time you hear shot 1.
Edit: Actually youâll see the hit a few millisec before you hear the shot bc the speed of the bullet > speed of sound.
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yes, and it also means that the grouping of the first 3 shots was very close!
while I was going through several of the messages that were posted before I joined this forum, I saw a message that stated that David Dutch had suffered 2 gunshot wounds. one stomach and one liver wound.
even though he walked out of the bleachers area without assistance, a close grouping could explain 2 bullet wounds in the same person, heâŠ
Thatâs true, the spread in the 2nd series of shots was much bigger. Probably has to do with this 
- First 3 shots in single fire with high accuracy and small spread
- Trump duck down
- Shooter couldnât see target anymore
- Shooter moved foward/up* a bit and released shot 4-8 in fast fire with lower accuracy and big spread
*edited from âbackâ, bc this post
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He walked out fully himself, but also had some assistance to be honest.
As the picture indicates and as you mentioned he was hit twice, one stomach and one in his right hand side chest (liver?)
yes, but he walks autonomously, which is a totally different story if compared to James Copenhaver who was carried out horizontallyâŠ
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Radio message: 1911 bood in restroom
Thatâs true.
The good news is, they both made it!
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Helicopter sound 1832
OMG, sorry!
here it is:
Ross_V2 bullet 10: 586685.02; 4523542.10
@greg_n, I was looking at the times differentials of the sources and something does not fit. Here is a table of the time to 7 shot after the first shot, the delta to the Podium time to the 7th shot, the calculated distance (considering 351m/s of sound speed) moved away from the real source and the distance moved away from Crooks considering my geolocations.
| fottage | 7 shot (time after 1 shot) | delta to Podium time 4.927s | calculated distance moved away from the real source (m) | distance moved away from Crooks by geolocation (m) |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| TMX | 4.941 | 0.014 | 4.91 +/- 0.7m | 2.5 |
| DJStew | 4.954 | 0.027 | 9.48 +/- 0.7m | 1.47 |
Here are the measured distances:
Considering that TMX positions are interpolated it is possible that the source of error is in the geolocation method.
DJstew moves 7.8m in that time but only 1.47m away from Crooks.
Even in a hypothetical scenario where the source is positioned in another place DJStew moves a maximum distance 7.8m away from the source.
I trying to make sense of this but my first interpretation is there is something wrong with my geolocations of DJstew at 4to9th shot or there is some error in the time differentials.
I have been doing some iterations using your v3 data in my TDOA model, and I found it made sense to make these corrections to the movement of TMX
TMX = [ %@vt1 v3
586732.48 4523501.59 2.6
586730.28 4523502.56 2.1
586729.65 4523502.89 2.1
586727.99-1 4523503.98+0.4 2.1
586727.99-1.5 4523503.98+0.6 2.1
586727.99-2 4523503.98+0.8 2.1
586727.99-2 4523503.98+0.8 2.1
586727.99-2 4523503.98+0.8 2.1
586727.43-2 4523504.42+0.8 2.1
586718.39+5 4523512.20-5 2.8
];
Doing this allowed me to use Boom times for shots 9 & 10, which is much better than estimating from the crack since with this approach I do not have to estimate bullet velocity. So, Iâm using crack + 49 ms for shot 9 and crack + 133 ms for shot 10. This is the first time Iâve been able to do this, so that makes me happy! 
However, at least for now, Iâm seeing more sensible results for DJStew using my location estimates vs. yours.
DJStew=[ %gregâs
586772.00, 4523487.00, 4.10;
586773.40+0.5, 4523486.50-0.3, 4.10;
586776.00+0.5, 4523486.00-0.3, 4.10;
586780.00, 4523484.00, 4.10;
586780.00, 4523484.00, 4.10;
586780.00, 4523484.00, 4.10;
586780.00, 4523484.00, 4.10;
586780.00, 4523484.00, 4.10;
586782.00, 4523483.00, 4.10;
586776.00, 4523489.00, 4.10
];
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very trueâŠ
I always found the wound(s) of David Dutch remarkableâŠ
@don-kress assumes he got injured by a ricocheting bullet 1 or 2.
From the puff on the rail video I posted earlier, Iâd say the main hit was bullet #2
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Does anyone know the origin of the video in the Peak Prosperity dropbox titled âSource 1 - Trumps Micâ? The reason Iâm asking is that I am now using the audio from this source as the basis for my TDOA timing, and I like to cite the sources that Iâm using.
Yesterday, I discovered that the Real Americaâs Voice video I had been using for podium audio has an audio timing glitch between shots 9 & 10 that messes up the timestamp for shot 10. So, I looked for alternative sources and discovered that the audio for Source 1 is very good, with low background noise.
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@vt1 and @greg_n thanks for your looking into these detailed locations!
I have included both your locations in an overview kml which is available from File Browser
(also download the images directory with the ground overlaysâŠ)
(use public/public when necessary)
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Dutch had suffered gunshot injuries to his chest and liver while he was positioned behind the stage during Trumpâs speech. The New Kensington native has undergone two surgeries so far after being shot in the liver and chest.
With no disrespect intended;
David Dutch who is âcritically woundedâ just walks out when
A) hit with 2 x .233 rounds but not any blood evidence; or
B) or hit by shrapnel twice, but where did the bullets hit first, then
C) He was initially placed in a medically induced coma for treatment.
The official version doesnât make sense
I canât envisage anyone walking out under A) option,
so B) makes sense,
But is C) is more relevant to A) injuryâs?
The term induced coma is commonly used to describe the state of sedation that some patients on critical care are temporarily placed into, most commonly in order to facilitate therapies like going onto a ventilator.
Post traumatic chest surgery would likely have you on a ventilator.
Dutch had suffered gunshot injuries from .223 to his chest and liver,
but he was all good to be released in a week?
Evidence points to option B)
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