Audio Analysis Is Most Consistent Two Shooters At Trump Rally

The police officer (Leslie Coffelt) that was fatally injured in the assassination attempt on president Harry Truman killed one of the would-be assassins AFTER he was fatally injured.

You can’t always tell how bad someone is hurt right away.

Dutch could have had bullets penetrate parts that don’t bleed much. We should all just be glad he survived, and pray for his and James Copenhaver’s continued recovery, President Trump’s continued safety, and the scumbag Routh’s continued survival so he can be questioned properly.

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I’ll agree that window shows some resemblance to a barn with a roof. But it makes no sense for a screenshot taken from perhaps 12 inches off the ground to have a reflection of a barn which extends all the way to the top of the window, when a screenshot from a police bodycam (4 1/2 to 5 feet off the ground) shows a fair amount of sky above the barn reflecting off the same window. Draw some diagrams of how mirrors reflect if you aren’t sure of what I mean. It’s not like there’s a closer barn available to reflect in the Stewart video. Hopefully Dayve will upload a high res video which is not stabilized. The higher resolution makes a big difference.

Both these videos are subject to having been tampered with. They were in the possession of the police/FBI before being released, and the feds clearly have zero intention of being transparent. If you take a look at the Zapruder film of the Kennedy assassination, there are lots of signs of tampering.

But I’m just tired of fighting here. None of the members of congress are going to try to show there was a second shooter. This is all moot.

We just need to concentrate on keeping President Trump alive. He needs extra security. Florida can also try to help keep the scumbag (and possible CIA asset) Routh alive as well.

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It might be interesting, when (what day) those notches were made. Maybe someone prepared the fence a few days before to give a rabbit hole for investigation. It cannot be excluded.

Just came across interesting info. There’s actually equipment used by armies to detect gunfire direction and range by using sound. Pilar (france) and Boomerang (USA). Basically a vehicle mounted set of microphones captures sound, filters out unwanted noise and displays range and direction on a display inside the vehicle. Apparently a company called QinetiQ also had an individual portable device called IGD, which had the same intended purpose.

Boomerang wikipedia

James Barger patent lots of formulas here

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Very interesting. Thanks for sharing. Sounds like something USSS counter-snipers should have in their bag of goodies. You know the one, the bag with “yesterday’s technology today.”

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You made good reply. (So according to your information we would have to go back 0.27 sec to see the “visual shot”.)
However, light and sound speed question:
The time for rifle bolt to fully eject casing compared to sound of shot??
the person (dan***)you answered said the “action” would be “seen” before sound.
but the sound is at end of barrel(?) while there is a delay (fractions of second) for gases to push bolt back and eject round. (and said round to be visible).
would the sound be that far behind the ejection?
Did you say you saw recoil of shooters shoulder?

Maybe I am confused about your discussion.
:woozy_face:

Not as useful for sniper (after shot is too late)??

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I agree considering the Butler scenario (and other scenarios with actual first shot hits). However, whitout the benefit of hindsight, such an equipment seems nice to have when you don’t know what kind of engagement you might encounter. Anyway, the formulas on the patent are useful to us. Plus, the existence of a DARPA approved equipment using sound/TDOA, etc attests to the validity of the approach (ranging and locating with sound).

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True, but if Plan A fails (spotting the shooter) it’s good to have a Plan B (geolocating the shooter.)

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3 microphones would be enough if we knew the speed of sound. But we don’t, so there must be a 4th equation. And some additional mics are useful to increase the projection accuracy. It would be a simple matrix calculation if the bullet was far enough from the mics. That should be replaced by partial linear regression.

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Well, I haven’t read the patent to try to wrap my mind around it (at the detail level it’s beyond me), so I just looked through it enough to see if there could be any anything useful. Once I saw the formulas, I couldn’t not post the patent link, knowing we have math expert Columbos on the forum . :face_with_monocle: :slightly_smiling_face:

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TMZ-Ross-HairRecoilGIF30fps

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Here is the latest update (v4) of TMX positions.

I manage to find TMX on Source 4 and DJstew footages at 10th bullet.

I manage to theoretically find “the stick” at first bullet on TMX footage.
Here are the superimposed footages used to find the stick.

Here are the locations on Google Earth:

ref Longitude Latitude
TMX_v4 bullet 1 586736.01 4523499.74
TMX_v4 bullet 2 586734.23 4523500.61
TMX_v4 bullet 3 586733.23 4523501.04
TMX_v4 bullet 4to9 586727.26 4523504.62
TMX_v4 bullet 10 586721.14 4523512.57
stick 586737.47 4523498.21

Here are all the frames used from TMX with times after 1st bullet report.

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@vt1 the estimates keep getting “better” by my definition. I am working from the assumption that shots 1-3 should have consistent timing and shots 4-8 should have consistent timing (once we get there we can decide whether the two groups are consistent with each other or not). Just to give you an idea, for stationary sources, these two groups of bullets each have internal timing consistent to half a foot or less with the podium, but I doubt you will get there. Given how fast these two sources below were moving, we are close!

I don’t want you to make any corrections to the data that aren’t justified by what you see, so I won’t tell you magnitude or sign, but for TMX-v4, I see bullet 2 and 3 consistent, but bullet 1 out a bit from those. And for shots 4-8, I see shot 7 a bit out of line with the rest.

For source 4, things are looking pretty good, except shot 3 is out a bit and there is a slow walk in the data for shots 4-8.

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thanks for this clip (loop)

Agreed,

Technology exists to block transmissions and disrupt RF. The loop holes in security at both attempts (golf course) imply outside help.
But that is the elephant in room. Iran* has put out video of assassination capabilities, that are impressive. (remote care carrying a drone)**

appreciate this loop, not 100% convinced.

Thank You for reply

I found the stick on another video.


This is 3m to the West from my first stick geolocation.
I will have to correct geolocation for Bullet 1, 2 and 3.

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@vt1 , you found the elusive stick that I mentioned a couple weeks ago! Well done.

What I thought was a metal sign post is actually the boom of one of the flag cranes, isn’t it?

I’ll be happy to give the new coordinates a try in my TDOA model as soon as you provide them.

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Here it is:

ref Longitude Latitude
TMX_v5 bullet 1 586733.37 4523500.71
TMX_v5 bullet 2 586732.11 4523501.36
TMX_v5 bullet 3 586731.63 4523501.69
TMX_v4 bullet 4to9 586727.26 4523504.62
TMX_v4 bullet 10 586721.14 4523512.57
stick_v2 586734.04 4523499.10

Bullet 1 is more precise then bullet 2 and 3 because of the closeness to the actual frame I could geolocate.
I used every possible information like the size of the fence grid (from 2" to 2.25") to calculate the angle and distance to the footage frame.

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