If you zero a AR at 100 yds, it is at the top of its flight and starts dropping past that point. This is not true for the other normal zeros with an AR. A 25, 36, 50 yd zero, the bullet is still rising and has a 2nd zero distance when it is coming back down.
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what do you think about my 2 cents I dropped while elaborating on this topic in this post? 
and what do you think about what I posted here?
Please remember: The patroler got a radio message at about 18:01. We donât know what the message was, but it seems to be a reason to speed up his car. And the alleged shooter was seen on the roof at 18:08 first. So it would be interesting to know what the radio message was.
We also know his kids were at the rally site, so he might have a personal interest to go there. (Later on he phoned his wife to bring home the kids.)
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I almost stopped reading at this point.
Youâre right about that.
Why do you continue to refuse to simply take a screenshot on which what you recognize as casing is circled.
Then we wouldnât have to guess what you see.
It is about 3 meters change in distance.
You can record with or w/o sound.
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Hi daniloraf,
We are getting closer and closer to an agreement.
I of course agree with you that the sound of the shot is delayed and maybe Chris and I underestimated this fact of which I would like to apologize to you. This video is extremely difficult to analyse due to the fact that we have to listen to hysterical screaming (something I have enough at home), but now I convinced myself and spent a lot of time to analyse this important topic as follows:
I am using the original TMZ video, no photoshop and no manipulation.
I analysed this video in Microsoft Clipchamp, reducing the speed to 0.1 and adding the time stamp in milliseconds. The fact that the speed is reduced to 0.1 the time stamp has a rather strange output, but with a simple Excel formula we can convert back to seconds.
So, at reduced speed you hear the first âacousticâ shot just after the word âoverâ referring to the womanâs voice: âget over hereâ at 6.084 seconds. So according to your information we would have to go back 0.27 sec to see the âvisual shotâ. But according to my CAD drawing I am able to measure this distance very accurately, namely 250 feet. So I took the liberty to ask the robot the same question with 250 feet and it gave us a delay of 0.22 seconds which would be at 5.864. Theoretically we should be seeing some dynamic action between the screenshots at that point.
For safety I added some more screenshots in the beginning and at the end, just in case we have a small error in calculation.
Looking at the below screen shots, which one are you referring to, claiming to see a case ejecting?
If somebody is doubting the below screen shots, I strongly recommend that you analyse it with your own method.
And shouldnât we see smoke and what about the rifle recoil? I donât seem to see any dynamic action between the frames?!?
This analysis is turning out to be even more interesting, since we do actually see the first shot on video, but simply no dynamic action by Crooks? Is the first shot comming from the buffered room in building 6?
But maybe I am missing something, and somebody sees some dynamic action in one of the frames. The only dynamic action I see is the water mark of TMZ.
Any feedback would be highly appreciated.
Together we are strongâŚ
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Been working on this one. I counted 14 frames from first visual of the shot to when the blast report is detected. At a frame fate of 29.97 frames per second, this calculates to about 0.467 seconds. With a speed of sound at 1150 fps = 537 feet distance between shooter and camera.
I donât know how well this fits with the measurements of the site. Maybe there is some error in my calculation and welcome any review.
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Looks like you have counted 7 frames between the visual and acoustic signals of the shot. This does equal 0.233 seconds at 29.97 frames per second and much closer to your calculation.
The main disagreement between our analysis is how many frames between the visual shot and audio report. I admit my method was a bit rough, it is a messy audio track.
Question: Who did this animated GIF in your post?
The location of the âTMZâ watermark is different than the screencaptures of roger-knight. So one of the sources is not from the original.
Thanks.
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I done it. It is an enhanced version by TMZ and appears at the end of the first video in the following link:
At the start of that video is the more original version with audio. Is is not quite as clear, but still shows some of what to look for. It is still importat as it also has the audio track to help line things up. Is this the TMZ logo you are looking for?
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I count 9 frames from the shell getting ejected to hitting the roof. It is easier to see in the enhanced TMZ version. There is still a little of it in the original version, much harder to make out what it is.
I did that about 2 weeks ago. I posted a single frame then Roger said it was an artifact. Come onâŚ
Just because itâs a quick and dirty solution to enlarge it for clarity? It seemed enough, given the case ejection is clearly visible. I didnât want download and install Premiere just for this, it didnât seem necessary. Apparently it was necessary, since you guys are freaking out over this. Lucky for us all, @kwaka just just did a great post down below⌠slowed it down, stabilized it, added info on visual and sound timing. Are those stil frames from Kwaka enough for you? Doesnât the benefit of motion make it easier for you to see the case flying?
Ross will forever live in our hearts and minds.
Iâd say 270-275⌠they were under the tree, just behind the trunk, no? 250 would put the cellphone ahead of the trunk. But honestly, considering how short the period of time is between the ejection and the sound, I donât believe we even need to refine that distance ever further (at least for the sake of acknowledging a case flew from his gun). This distance however could be useful to help us determine if Crooks moved his position after the shots, only to be shot close by. We do hear people saying âWatch out, Mags, heâs turnind this wayâ⌠And then thereâs that video that shows Crooks turning with the rifle and taking aim again between shots 9 and 10, but weâll talk about that later on.
Those you see on the @kwaka post below.
I see the recoil when I watch it in full motion and on repeat. Itâs small, but itâs there. You will never see it analyzig still frames, you have to watch in full motion in full screen on desktop. Focus on his glasses and hair over ears, let that repeat playback rip just after the cellphone zooms in until the action is totally blocked by the shoulder.
Ayn Rand once wrote that contradictions do not exist. When you find one, check your premises, and youâll find that one of them is wrong. In this case, I blieve that your premise of âno dynamic actionâ is incorrect. What where you expecting, Crooks being thrown 1 feet away due to recoil? Itâs a 5.56 recoil from almost 100 yards away, not a Predator throwing people around or someone shooting a .50cal with one hand.
5.755 and 5.777. But again, watch it in motion.
Well, there you go guys⌠if itâs GIF you wantâŚ
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I could not find it in the last four videos of this link.
Top of the page, just below the headline. By the end of the video, TMZ themselves slowed it down and then added their watermark. Thatâs why the TMZ logo appears at 2 different positions on the same TMZ video.
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It is at the end of the first video in that link.
I said it was an artifact as well at that time with the lower quality images. finding the shoulder recoil a few frames earlier was tough to spot at the time. Well done in your persistence in trying to get word out about the better quality images hiding out there somewhere.
One thing that is still troubling me is 14 frames between the visual and audio report and 530 feet distance this means. I might be off 1, maybe even two frames. I am finding nothing going back 6-7 frames.
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Watch the TMZ video (without sound to spare your sanity). Trump Rally Shooter Seen Opening Fire Getting Killed Seconds Lat-01.mp4 - Google Drive
Pause at 0:05 mark. Use the â<â and â>â key (to the right of the letter âMâ) to advance and rewind the video per frame. Move it forward and back repeatedly and you can see an un-natural brass shiny object briefly appear which is either an error in the film (I do see other errors in the film, for instance a weird light color change a few frames before that near the end and above the rifle, so cannot rule it out) or otherwise most consistent in location, size, color, and timing with the rifle shot that can be heard on the audio version, about a 1/4 of a second later (representing the slower speed of sound). Itâs not a leaf, bird, insect, change in scenery, etc. that I can account for.
I have taken a picture and circled the object in red whic I observe when doing this. The original video is bad, and my photo is even worse quality but this object can be observed and thereâs few explanations for it, the most likely is either a flaw in the video or a shell casing.
No you wonât see rifle smoke, from modern smokeless powders, from a single or few shots. And the only place it might smoke from would be the barrel, after many shots, which is obscured. So ârifle smokeâ is a red herring. Go to any Youtube channel where AR15s are shot and youâll see there is no smoke or if any itâs only after a lot of shooting, itâs nearly imperceptible, and only at the muzzle or chamber if locked open, after large amounts of shooting, (which are obscured here).
Yes, you should see minor recoil occurring on the shooter. I did not initially see it but after many times viewing, Crooks left foot and his right shoulder do move in unison with the shell casing ejecting (most evident in the stabilized enhanced version), strongly showing 3 data points that suggest he fired that first shot.
Not conclusive, but strong evidence assuming the video is authentic.
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I have not seen that video. I have seen some similar images where the shooter points his gun towards the crowd on the west side, but they look fake and distorted with the scale out of sync. If you have a link to that video, I am always ready for more humble pie. Tough to swallow, no pain, no gain.
In trying to resolve the 530 feet calculation between the shooter and TMZ Ross camera, is there some kind of large scale information war going on? Already a lot of dead links from the early days of this event. When I first saw that Ross video, from around that area, there was one lady screaming out âCrooks, what are you doing?â. That version did not stick around along as it soon became âRossâ getting screamed out. Inconvenient for the lone shooter theory if someone else there knew him.
Been a lot of things not fully adding up along the way. This will always be a problem when a lot of deception is thrown in. The lies will get some pieces to fit at times, but as it diverts from reality there will also be other gaps that cannot be resolved.
It would be nice to put this mystery behind me. Knowing what the government is capable of, not there yet.
OK guys, not sure, but this one could make the case:
We are all arguing the about the two hypotheses, one being that Crooks shoots all 8 shots or hypotheses 2: a second shooter shoots bullet 1-3 and Crooks shoots 4-8.
All we really need is to have a clear video of Crooks shooting the first 3 shots, thatâs all. There would be no more discussions. Why donât we have this video? Well, the TMZ video would be the closest ever to clearly see Crooks shoot all three shots from the roof. You would clearly see the casings ejecting, smoke coming out of the rifle and the recoil. The case would be clear: Crooks shoots all 8 shots, no discussions.
Well, the question we should be asking is why donât we see all three shots? The worst of the worst thing happened, namely very very unfortunately a guy is in the way blocking off the view of the most important 3 seconds in this entire case. What a very unfortunate thing to happen. See the screen shot of the guyâs head below, which blocks off shot 2 and 3.
Well, Iâm not quite sure, (but I am sure this forum will be of help to find out). What if we could prove that there was no guy (as seen in the TMZ video) in front of the camara when the second and third shot was fired?
There is the second video taken from that spot which films the filmer! It is clear to see that nobody is in front of the guy making the TMZ video during the first 3 shots. Only a black and red chair are in front of him and nobody in sight during the shots. Why do we see a guyâs head in the TMZ video blocking off shots 2 and 3?
Please help me evaluate this finding and if this turns out to be true, then the case is closed.
or see x: J6Videos/status/1816551093800726894
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