the virus is real…
I have severe hormonal deficiencies and immunological problems and I’m my mid 30’s.
because stress kills ,and because even in countries like Belgium,France that are both sharing the second place as most taxed countries on earth with HUGE “health”-care expenses (offered basically free to anyone), the medical sector is an in-crowd, in-bred petulant pool of money hungry EGO-maniac FOOLS and MORONS being played like little puppets by the pharmaceutical ind.) .SPITTING IN HIPPOCRATES’ FACE!!!
the world has been destroyed…using controlled demolition just like the twin towers…
All these young “victims” that keep popping up BECAUSE the population is not convinced (and rightfully so ) that EVERYONE YOUNG AND OLD should have STRESS…,be terrified,…and in doing so WEAKEN their IMMUNE SYSTEM JUST BY WORRYING…HOW LONG WHERE THESE YOUNG VICTIMS INTUBATED?..HOW LONG IN ICU?..SOME DRAMATIC PERFORMANCES WHERE NO MORE THAN THEIR FACEBOOK VIDEO THAT WENT SO VIRAL AND MADE THE NATIONAL NEWSBULLETINS SINCE THERE IS NO JOURNALISM WORTH A DAMN ANYMORE JUST CLICK-BAIT HUNGRY “TREND-CHASING”…DON’T SEEM TO SUFFER FROM REDUCED PULMONARY CAPACITY AS THEY BABBLE AWAY HOW HORRIBLE THIS VIRUS WAS…(ONE EVEN STATING SHE WAS NO ACTRICE , NONO REALLY NOT…JUST BECAUSE THAT’S WHAT HONEST PEOPLE ALWAYS SAY , ADDING THAT SHE USUALLY NEVER PUTS EMOTIONAL VIDEOS ON FACEBOOK…“OSCAR-TIME BABY”
How many people died in Iraq?in Syria (not counting the 10 or more million displaced)…in Afghanistan?Libya?..Yemen…(i know it’s apples and oranges but it DOES put things into perspective YES IT DOES…IF THE VIRUS IS SO EXPLOSIVE THEN WHY AREN’T WE TALKING ABOUT THE MIGRANT CAMPS AT THE EU BORDERS…THE US BORDERS…HMMMM???)
MILLIONS DIED FOR NOTHING, MILLIONS MORE WHERE MUTILATED…
If Angela Merkel and many others say 60-70 some say 80% will get the virus…and there is no STANDARD WORLDWIDE TEST…(I HAVE 2 FRIENDS IN QUARANTINE, ONE IN SPAIN IN HOSPITAL WITH A RELATIVE , JUST OUT OF PRECAUTION SINCE THE RELATIVE IS VERY WEAK AND IS A SPECIAL CASE, THE OTHER BECAUSE HER PARTNER HAS ADDISON AND SHE FELT A LITTLE SICK SO THE DOCTOR TOLD HER TO SELF-ISOLATE…NÓ TEST…)…
there has been ZERO transparency about the testing…and the TOTAL 100% SAFE number of quarantine days is “up in the air”…MUCH LIKE THE VIRUS…
THE PANDEMIC IS NOT THE VIRUS BUT THE WAY WE REACT TO IT AND IT’S NÓT A COINCIDENCE…ECONOMIC RESET, GET RID OF ALL THE OLD PEOPLE, DESTROY CURRENCIES,ABOLISH “VIRUS LADEN” CASH MONEY, HABITUATE PEOPLE THAT FREE MOVEMENT IS A PRIVILEGE FROM NOW ON…
I’m well aware I could die from the virus…I didn’t think I’d make it till today so it’s different for me, I’ve let go of THAT fear long time ago to happily live another day…BUT NOT IN SHACKLES THOUGH…
It’s important that we define things correctly so we can call out the problem and solution. We do not live in a capitalistic society. We have a Greedy “Marxist” Society where the State comes first . Marxist since 1913 w/direct income taxation –>exacerbated by FDR’s Marxist New Deal —> and so and so forth. The current Keynesian monetary system is a Marxist philosophy.We also have corruption in the form of Bankers & Corporate lobbying (legal bribery) but that’s corruption not capitalism i.e. free choice. Capital on the other hand just means the right to choose your future as long as you don’t impose on others i.e. value creation. Having said that there is much work to be done to designate protection to the inherent subsidies that nature provides (w/out destroying it --fracking comes to mind). There have never been free markets because that would require both capital & labor to be free i.e. not taxed.
See you are so silly. Masks work fine for medical personnel. But not for you. It’s something to do with the way they’re designed.
Get it now?
It’s extremely important we define things correctly. Capitalism simply refers to the private ownership of capital. While capitalism is a necessary requirement for a free society is not a sufficient guarantee of the same. We do actually live in a capitalist society, just nor a free-market capitalist society. What we live in is probably closer to0 fascism than anything else. It really isn’t Marxist though - at least when it comes to the ownership of capital.
Freedom is what is important. And you can’t be free without the right to own a hammer and keep what you build with it - that’s capitalism. But just because you have the right to own a hammer doesn’t make you free. You need a great deal more than that, which we don’t currently have.
olivierdelmorres, I know these are stressful times but caps and bold text come off in the worst way.
Peak Prosperity is a welcoming community, and yet its a community not a madhouse, not park space to abuse.
We love to discuss every thing, even subjects that make us argue. Sometimes passionately. Try please to be a member of that community, and share your thoughts in a rational and measured manner, not climb on a soapbox and rant.
Barr made an announcement about hoarding and price gouging. (Didn’t specifically mention the insulin industry though.)
He reassured people that they wouldn’t be coming after anyone with an excess of toilet paper. They’re supposedly focused on people with warehouse-fulls of masks and other vital supplies. Oddly, he failed to make reference to that reported* deal where donny attempted to get control of a German vaccine for the virus so he could hoard and price gouge it. Funny how that works.
*Edit: Since my reference to this vaccine story has been objected to, I will add that Snopes described the events as " have not been confirmed." Not the most strident of rebuttals. Given the somewhat murky and conflicting statements that emerged from Germany, I’m inclined to invoke the Boy Who Cried Wolf rule here when calculating the probability that it’s true. Or perhaps Maya Angelou would be a better fit: “When someone shows you who they are, believe them.”
I am not sure i would classify any of those as serious illness. serious illness is anything that would make you un able to function because you are ill. - I would call this minor conditions. I have yet to meet a person with hypertension that is sick or looks sick. And since hypertension can start at anything over 120/80. id say we all have had at one time or another. So they would have to quantify that. my grandmother had hereditary hypertension , the type that is lke 300 over 180 not treated. She never had that as far as i know of but her family did. I do know , even treated I never recall her BP under 170/100. She played golf till 88 and ( competitively ) she walked ( id call it a slow jog ) till 90 ever day. She was sharp as could be had more energy than I did at 26 years of age. ( i have health issues non listed ) So, my point is she lived till 92 and only because of valve damage from the BP otherwise she would lived to 130 i think. and she was italian by the way. But, I wouldnt call her serious ill to look at her watch her lifestyle… If people like this can die because of their blood pressure of anyone over 125/85 ,. I dont have a prayer. I know people with diabetes, feel good, no problems… I have more neuropathy of unknown pathology, than does a diabetic… I do not think diabetics feel ill… or have issues again with lifestyle… most dont even need meds or insulin… so if diabetes 2 , is a serious illness, we are all f*&D. my point is these underlying conditions are bs… they are taking the ones most peopel have that do not actually make them “ill” as an excuse for why they died.
Basically, 100% of the population about 35 yrs old where I live are medicated for some condition or another. Though I am ill, when i go to the dr , they are shocked i am not any meds… as its almost unheard or here. And by the way though i am very ill, they do not have treatments to offer me. But the point is I am ill… and would not fit this list. Yet all these people are ill according the drs and data but look fine to me. And… bythe way , I call this just association not cause of dying of covid. meaning that by the time you are 50 most people have some minor insulin resistance "type2 " and some mild to moderate hypertension , none of this is signifcant or should kill you… so I do not think there is cause of these people dying that is related to underlying health… In china studies only 30 % had underlying health issues. it might be more age and immunity. and with age you get more conditions… its not the condition that is causing the demise , its the age or another issue that is still unforeseen. My point what you call serious ill , i call conditions, but these conditions are manageable and even unmanaged , they do not kill you… maybe after long periods , they can damage organs - but without that organ damage , in early stages of these conditions , i see nothing that would kill you from infection. So if they said , the patient died because he had heart faliure due to hypertension , i would say ok. But to say he died of hypertension and no heart failure, id say no you missed something. or to say , someone died of infection of type 1 diabetes because thier managed blood sugar level is 200… and they immuno-compromised… I would say ok. If someone has type 2 and a blood sugar of 115. , i say no way you missed something. if someone has cadiomyopathy , i say ok , yes. I mean there are conditions where you are compromised and there are conditions if not managed will compromise you eventually if they become severe. So, like you say serious illness. If they can quantify it as serious illness … when they say diabetes… saying its type1, poorly controlled… hypertension? no way… it results in kidney disease, heart disease… so yes heart issues…bad valves, enlarged chambers… irregular rhythms… low ejection fractions… poor perfusion ok … Hypertension , no…!// Afib? well yeah if not treated. but that is easy to treat and correct for the majority, except in the US. Cant imagine why Italians would have this.
My point is if i get a vague list of conditions like hypertension as a primary cause of one that dies in covid… that is alarming to me… I want to see more specifics there please… hypertension is not a qualitative diagnoses , its a quantitative one, so give me a quantitative number for covid victims… . same with diabetes, there is two types , one much more severe… one very minor… sugar just a bit high from sedentary lifestyle and age , and weight and poor diet… but its usually very mild and this people are not suffering neuro problems and immune problems like someone with constantly sky high sugar levels/ so again give me a value… or skip… this feel good… only unhealty one-foot in grave die crap…
The Keynesian economic Global generational deb based paper fiat monetary system is Marxist and the current society we have today is Marxist (just look at the entitlements) it is vastly different than the one we had prior to 1913 which was self-reliance, strong families, etc etc. Marxism has different flavors i.e. communism, socialism, feminism…it’s all under the banner of equality that ends up in class warfare with total state control. In our case Marxism w/a dash of Oligarchy/Kleptocracy When you state Capital means private ownership that is correct in the sense it means individuals over the state. There are no free markets because both labor and capital are taxed.
Our current Marxist State/USSA believes that it is the embodiment of the nation instead of “we the people” which is why there was such a disconnect when Trump won in 2016. This Marxist paradigm cycle which started in 1913/direct income tax and will end with the sovereign debt crisis of 2020-22? will hopefully give us an opportunity to embrace what made America great…i.e. “we the people”
Yeah, I dunno about that dtrammel. Seems to me that theory’s falling by the wayside. I found one comment on the link you provided that speaks more to probability - that the more internationally-connected countries have been the first to get hit, and hit hard. That’s certainly likely for Italy, imo, where the Chinese were highly present in the northern end of the country, building infrastructure (linked to their New Silk Road Initiative) and investing in Italian commerce. Similarly, Iran, a key part in China’s Silk Road and where they’ve been investing in energy projects (with Russia, carving up the country’s resources). Italy, in turn, spread the virus to Europe via tourists.
The commenter noted South Africa’s high rate relative to the rest of the continent and it’s higher international travel; ditto Brazil. And notes that Australia and Canada have about the same infection rates, are similarly linked to the world, but have regionally opposite temperatures. In addition, we’re seeing the slow, persistent spread of Wuflu to the rest of the (less internationally connected) world, regardless of temperature and humidity.
Which also points to the slow evaporation of the hope summer will put a significant brake on Covid-19’s virulence.
Chris includes the conclusion that everything’s changed and nothing will be as it was. I think that is very likely though I doubt anyone knows what we’ll end up with. Does Chris know? He’s promoting his book about prospering in that changed reality and even mentions financial prosperity. This sounds an awful lot like not much will change.
He was conspicuously absent during the Presidents update. I liked the guy. Thoughts?Seems to me that the poor guy couldn't help sticking to logic and facts and that got him kicked off the stage. President is an impatient fellow, it seems, and this whole virus thing has dragged on beyond his personal tolerance limit. This messaging by the President and his team of "getting back to work" is going to get a lot of people killed. Unfortunately, I don't see much true leadership anywhere in DC on either side of the aisle so, as usual, this isn't a political statement by yours truly. Just an observation. Did you see the video or stills from the last Senate vote? Nobody was 6 feet apart. Not a mask to be seen. The US is really screwed. Too few people 'get it' and too few of our national managers (not leaders) get it, which means the tuition cost of experience is going to be very high.
Looking forward to the next economic report.
Perhaps not the right choice of words, hmm how about waiting with guarded anxiety. ?
Michigan’s governor Gretchen Whitmer issued the following Executive Order effective today. It lasts for three weeks.
https://www.michigan.gov/whitmer/0,9309,7-387-90499_90705—,00.html
The President “We can not let the cure be worse than the problem”!Well, if one is sick and dying nothing is worse than that. However, if your the government the problems of a teetering economy can seem worse than a few dead people. But, correct me if I am wrong. It’s the Governors of each State that determine the length of individual State quarantines. So how will this work? Government - “times up, we are done with quarantines”.. States - “no not yet we are not”. Oh boy, more political theatre, finger pointing and incomprehensible rhetoric. Hmmm - wonder who came up with that new narrative?
Our governor of Kansas is a medical doctor, so I have a bit more hope for my states covid 19 policy. She was the first to close schools for the rest of the year & switch to online learning. I’m being told to prepare for this remote teaching to continue into next year too. My nearby towns are all doing “shelter in place” starting today. Our covid numbers are still small, so maybe we have a fighting chance!
I loved Chris’s emphasis on starting a garden! I grow so much food & it can be done! Also a couple of backyard chickens will provide you with lots of eggs (50 a month) and manure for the garden. And like Chris said, the food is healthier and tastes sooo much better! I’d be glad to advise those with garden questions!!
And anyone else who is interested. Quick background information: far northern California very rural FQHC clinic and how we’re dealing with COVID-19. While we’ve had some confirmed cases for a while in the north state, the numbers are climbing. Here’s the latest:
Family members of employees are coming home to shelter in place. Most are adult children. We had to make a decision about whether we would tell staff to stay home until we know these people have not brought the virus with them. We are way too small to keep many of our staff off for any length of time. Not to mention that most of what we do cannot be done by working from home. We made the decision to go case-by-case. Four adults from Humboldt and Sacramento (both of which have confirmed community transmission), two of whom have been completely ignoring social distancing or other infection-prevention basics; RN quarantined and working from home for at least two weeks. Two adult children and kids from Placer county, which is much more rural and has a few widespread infections; at work but wearing a mask. One RN who just had a heart cath and was hospitalized in a hospital with a confirmed case; quarantined. That means that of our three RNs, I’m it.
Because we got nailed with two feet of snow and a broken water main last week, we were closed to patients for four days. The bonus: we were able to immediately implement telephone visits. The disadvantage of telephone visits is that you can’t see or examine the patient and unless they happen to have self-monitoring equipment like a blood pressure cuff or blood glucose machine, you are short on objective data. And obviously, some things we just can’t do - no pelvic exams or procedures. Routine annual physicals are on hold as well. We already had a telemedicine program in place and we are in overdrive figuring out how we can best use it. Some of our peer clinics are trying to start telemedicine programs from the ground up right now - talk about an uphill slog!
Since we are literally making it up as we go along, things are changing minute by minute. We’re creating laminated wallet/purse cards for staff (about half done as of yesterday) that identify them as employees and show their position, so they can present them if we get to the roadblock/mandatory enforcement stage. The cards have pictures of the individual, taken on the spot with a phone and downloaded onto the card. We’re changing the telephone visit process so the medical assistant who would normally be rooming the patient (completing forms, checking blood pressure and such) calls the patient just prior to the visit. This allows us to get what data we can from those who have equipment like a home BP cuff. One of our providers has shared an office in a larger room we call “the dorm” because she was new to both the state and the organization. Since both the back office supervisor and I are in that room, she had ready access to us for questions. With the advent of telephone visits, we swapped her and the lead MA into a private office. That move took about two hours, while they “saw” patients from the office of a provider who was off yesterday.
We have a very small number of COVID-19 tests available and our supplier is unsure when we will have more. Public health is reserving tests for health-care workers and hospitalized patients. In other words, we have to assume that everyone is potentially infectious and we’re taking every precaution we can to keep patients/family out of the building. At the same time, we have to balance that with the realization that we can’t keep everyone out. We decided our chiropractor could see patients but we’re calling them ahead of time to make sure they are symptom-free. We have them wait in their cars, not the lobby, and bring them in through a different door right next to his office rather than the main door (which means they don’t have to walk the length of the clinic). We are going to appointment-only labs; we will have patients check in and then wait in their cars until we call them back. For those patients we’re going to have to see for a face-to-face, we will probably implement something similar (but first we have to get our water tested so we can open up again).
Communication is a critical aspect of our practice at all times - even more so now. We developed a script to call our patients; it includes questions about internet access, confirms email addresses, whether patients can Skype or Facetime (since we’re in the mountains, cell phones don’t always work and internet access can be slow). We’re checking to see who needs food, whether they are on oxygen or if they are snowbound. We have morning huddles with all staff (repeated at noon for major issues) and mini-administration meetings throughout the day.
Telephone triage is one of my primary responsibilities with both other RNs off. I triaged 18 patients yesterday. Most of those calls took me around 10 minutes. As with telephone visits, I am limited to what I can collect through careful questioning and even more careful listening. You’d be surprised what you can pick up by listening to the quality of someone’s voice and breathing, or the sound when they cough. In most cases, I’m giving instructions for home care to manage upper respiratory infections, bladder infections or other issues. One woman called because her husband’s blood pressure was 86/62 (normal is around 120/80) and his pulse was 117 to 140 at rest. He said he felt fine; she said he got light-headed when he got up. I had her look at the inside of his eyelid to see if it was pink (pale eyelid lining can mean a low blood count). Since it was pink, I had her push fluids for two hours. When I called her back, his BP and pulse were back to normal. So we kept a 75 year-old man with several chronic conditions out of the ER. In a couple of cases, I had a provider do a telephone visit to determine if the patient needed medications I couldn’t prescribe (I can refill under standardized procedure, but not do a new prescription).
More to come, I’m sure. for anyone else in the outpatient care arena, I’d love to hear what others are doing!
That is a very inspirational story, BethGreenwood. You are making do with what you have to keep your rural clients going. Very creative!
Hi Chris,
Great Video! I think you might find this medical journal theory interesting and where skepticism on ibuprofen originated.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext
“Human pathogenic coronaviruses (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus [SARS-CoV] and SARS-CoV-2) bind to their target cells through angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), which is expressed by epithelial cells of the lung, intestine, kidney, and blood vessels. The expression of ACE2 is substantially increased in patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, who are treated with ACE inhibitors and angiotensin II type-I receptor blockers (ARBs). Hypertension is also treated with ACE inhibitors and ARBs, which results in an upregulation of ACE2. ACE2 can also be increased by thiazolidinediones and ibuprofen. These data suggest that ACE2 expression is increased in diabetes and treatment with ACE inhibitors and ARBs increases ACE2 expression. Consequently, the increased expression of ACE2 would facilitate infection with COVID-19. We therefore hypothesise that diabetes and hypertension treatment with ACE2-stimulating drugs increases the risk of developing severe and fatal COVID-19.”
Again, not sure if covered already.
Wanted to clarify to someone here how many infections we probably have when we only see the tip of the iceberg. Based on a couple of assumptions.
In NY, if we have 20k cases; I assume that we can say that you have in reality 2-3 times that number of infections (asymptomatic and light sniffles, others that are not tested, this might actually be higher).
If you have a doubling time of number of cases of 3 days (as seen in many places) and you count with average incubation time of 5 days and possibly 1 day before testing (i.e. 2 x doubling).
The number of infections, present and in development would be: 20k x 2.5 x 2^2 = 200k infections.
If we’d count 9 days between infection and confirmation (or doubling is 2.5 days after 7.5 days: double that again: 400k infections).
Certainly off by a lot, but it does give an impression of where we might be in a specific location.
Strongest correlation factor between fatalities and hypertension in Italy, now is that because as people age, more people are on BP med’s or is their correlation. Secondly, guess whom is almost never on BP meds, children … more research is needed, but i find this link is very interesting and believe further research is needed.
https://nypost.com/2020/03/18/over-99-of-coronavirus-patients-in-italy-who-died-had-other-illnesses/
See this med journal theory …
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(20)30116-8/fulltext
“Human pathogenic coronaviruses (severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus [SARS-CoV] and SARS-CoV-2) bind to their target cells through angiotensin-converting enzyme 2 (ACE2), which is expressed by epithelial cells of the lung, intestine, kidney, and blood vessels. The expression of ACE2 is substantially increased in patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, who are treated with ACE inhibitors and angiotensin II type-I receptor blockers (ARBs). Hypertension is also treated with ACE inhibitors and ARBs, which results in an upregulation of ACE2. ACE2 can also be increased by thiazolidinediones and ibuprofen. These data suggest that ACE2 expression is increased in diabetes and treatment with ACE inhibitors and ARBs increases ACE2 expression. Consequently, the increased expression of ACE2 would facilitate infection with COVID-19. We therefore hypothesise that diabetes and hypertension treatment with ACE2-stimulating drugs increases the risk of developing severe and fatal COVID-19.”