So It's Back To First Principles (Part 2)

Do you agree with this evidence, or is there a specific point that you find unconvincing?

Sorry but I don’t see the impact of bullet on Trump’s ear.

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Correct, NBC’s Tom Llamas and Feldman Brothers, attorneys, knew that was obvious, as was Dutch hit by Shot 2, and Copenhaver hit by Shot 3.
Gray pixels behind TOB’s butt: could be debris from Shot 1 hitting the black vinyl, and what was behind it.
Do you know what was behind the black vinyl?
Debris could be dust,dirt, black vinyl, copper, glass, or lead from the impact, about 4 feet Northeast of ToughOldBird.
Regarding the suppressed shots, heard by me and by Hercules2East, that could be proven beyond doubt to a judge and jury in a courtroom.

These witnesses saw gunsmoke from trees:

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From your question and your other post, I understand that you acknowledge the impact from shot 1 hitting the corner of the bleachers at 1:18:662, but you are disputing the impact on Trump’s ear. Can we agree on that?"

You still haven’t provided any evidence of multiple independent audio recordings that capture your alleged suppressed shots. Here is one of the ten I can share, which clearly shows that only three shots were fired in the first volley:

Please provide at least three consistent audio graphs, along with their sources, that confirm your alleged suppressed shots.

1:18.662 or 1:18.704 (with an uncertainty of 33 ms) ?

Okay, we’re making progress. If shot 1 hit the corner of the bleachers, then it could not have struck Copenhaver’s arm, correct? And since you also agree that Trump’s ear was grazed—and it takes 24 ms from his ear to the bleachers corner—there are only two possibilities: either shot 1 grazed Trump’s ear at approximately 1:18:662, or it was shot 2 that did. Which of the two are you claiming?

Your shared images are just silent, like most of your bodycams.
Hercules2East told HSGA counsel he heard ‘endless’ shots(page 56, lines 16, 17) that were ‘suppressed’(page 57, line 3).
Never mind ‘suppressed’…how did ‘8’ enemy gunshots, with a total duration of 5.14 seconds, become ‘endless’?
And, instead of repeating the word, ‘endless’, why did HSGA counsel change the ‘subject’ from ‘endless’ to 'direction?
Answer: because he’s rotten, and lying, like yourself.



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There is still no evidence of a suppressed shot in any of the 10–20 audio recordings available. I can easily provide at least five examples like this one, where only three shots (not four) are clearly identifiable:

What I am asking for is simple: please provide three clear audio recording graphs, comparable to the example above, that actually demonstrate a fourth, suppressed shot. Testimony alone is not enough. Multiple videos clearly show the first shot striking the corner of the bleachers; it could not also have struck Copenhaver’s arm. Yet instead of presenting graphical proof of four shots, you have relied entirely on eyewitness accounts.

Eyewitness testimony can be valuable when no video evidence exists, but that is not the case here. We have multiple videos from different angles all confirming that the first shot hit the corner of the bleachers. Simply inventing a suppressed fourth shot does not resolve this contradiction.

Until you provide three clear audio recording graphs that show a fourth, suppressed shot, your claim remains both unproven and unconvincing to me.

If the corner shot was 1st, then Trump/Copenhaver’s was 2nd, Dutch’s was 3rd, Copenhaver’s abdomen was 4th, exept 2 dozen shots had been fired before your designated ‘1st’.

  1. all your ‘graphs’ are silent
  2. my audible graphs, hearable by normal humans/animals/vegetables are ignored by you.
  3. Copenhaver absolutely was hit by Shots 1 and 3, as Dutch was hit by Shot 2. NBC didn’t need Corey’s video to show that, yet you continue to deny

The shot that hit the corner was behind the back of corner man, and 45° offcourse…

What was underneath the black vinyl?

For me, if you look at my former messages, you will see that I think it’s shot 2 that hit Trump’s ear.

I think we’ve been nitpicking too much about what are really trivial differences.

There is a huge divide between those who think there was one shooter and those who think there were at least two.

With 9/11, the opposition narrative is starting to coalesce around building 7. (I personally think other aspects are MORE preposterous, but hey, if building 7 is what people gather round, so be it).

With JFK, the basic kernel is that Kennedy’s head wouldn’t snap backwards from a bullet fired from behind.

I think with this we should coalesce around the fact that a line from “Crooks” through Trump’s ear ends up several feet to the left of the corner of the bleacher, and there’s no way the wind or the contact with 1/4" of an ear is going to deflect a high speed round that much.

That said:

I could imagine that Mr. Copenhaver was shot in the abdomen perhaps at shot 4. He was bending over some before that, but seems to double over more at that point.

The problem is that he specifically said he was shot in the arm, said to his friend “I think I’ve been shot”, and was then shot in the abdomen. That just about has to put the arm injury earlier.

Hmm, maybe I need to move the Hercules 2 counter sniper’s testimony toward the top of my “to do” list.

I was thinking he specifically said he didn’t hear a report from the rifle at all. Maybe I was reading the House testimony.

Here he doesn’t say specifically, he’s kind of implying he heard a muffled report, but his words do allow for him to have heard no rifle report at all.

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Not easy reading, because a very few evidentiary words were buried under tons of useless questions, designed to discourage reading.

What was under/behind the black vinyl TV cover?
Both TVs are on flatbed truck trailers, with ‘containers’.
122104’s bodycam may show a ‘box’ structure, open at each end.

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Those vinyl covers both look to be pretty much empty, and open on one end. The south one has a door open in it as well, so one can see through it from one end to another. That’s got me kind of suspicious, that ONE of them has a door open and the other doesn’t.

I’m also suspicious that the TV on the north side was raised quite a bit higher than the TV on the south side.

I came across a video recently that showed how the door in the south cover is open so one could see right through to the barn from this angle:

This is from the big playlist ADudeYouKnow has. It was number 328 when I was looking last, but of course those numbers change all the time.

Here’s what the inside of the north one looks like, from John McCollough’s video:

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But if the exterior is metal cladding, under the vinyl, and south/southeast of ToughOldBird’s elbow, I’m ready to claim that Copenhaver’s arm bullet bounced off the metal, with fragments hitting ToughOldBird’s arm/elbow, and FlowerLady’s left arm(in Corey frames, TOB lifts right arm, FlowerLady rotates left shoulder North, Copenhaver’s arm is already moving, and the rail has already been hit ~1/2 second earlier):



I’m open to the idea that the covers had aluminum or steel ribs that, when the covers were compressed like they were, might be almost a solid barrier.

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The ear/arm shot also would be a glancing hit off metal cladding, and I think TOB’s elbow was hit by fragments of Shot 1, after facing a safer direction during the long gone rail impact shot.
Also, I think the North TV elevation gave Trump some protection from the Water Tower.

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This is an easy one to prove:

Download this YouTube video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ejfAkzjEhk

Add timestamps with the following command:

.\ffmpeg -i "Shots fired at Trump rally.mp4" -vf "drawtext=text='%{pts\:hms}':x=10:y=140:fontsize=24:fontcolor=yellow:box=1:boxcolor=black@0.5" -c:a copy "Shots fired at Trump rally with timestamps.mp4"

Add a waveform panel to the video with this command:

.\ffmpeg -i "Shots fired at Trump rally with timestamps.mp4" -filter_complex "[0:v]scale=1280:-2, pad=1280:ih+500:0:0:black[base]; [0:a]showwaves=s=1280x500:mode=line:colors=white[wf]; [base][wf]overlay=0:H-h[v]" -map "[v]" -map 0:a -c:v libx264 -pix_fmt yuv420p -c:a copy "Shots fired at Trump rally with timestamps and waveform.mp4"

Extract the most interesting frames from that video:

.\ffmpeg.exe -ss 00:00:36 -to 00:00:40 -i "Shots fired at Trump rally with timestamps and waveform.mp4" frame_10%04d.png

Shot 1:

  • Looking frame by frame, we can see the crack of the first shot at 00:00:38.071.

  • The boom follows at 00:00:38.305.

Shot 2:

  • The crack of the second shot is visible at 00:00:38.906.

  • At this point, Trump is already covering his ear with his hand, which makes it impossible for this shot to have struck his ear.

I have now clearly proven shot 1 hits Trumps ear and then impacts on top of the bleachers corner.

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  1. How did you ‘download’ a youtube video?(I had a youtube ‘premium’ account, which still kept the file in a youtube folder…not in a physical drive with me…and some here may not have ‘premium’ accounts…
  2. you didn’t need to prove Shot 1 to Trump
  3. Shot 1 also coincides with Copenhaver’s arm flip, both obvious from Corey’s video
  4. I can’t see the ‘dustball’ off the rail in Corey’s video, but you’ve shown it, with forwarded audio, in earlier videos.
  5. can you see the ‘dustball’, off the rail, in Corey’s video?

Sorry but I am unable to download your video with my tool Grab & Watch.

But I repeat for maybe the third time my reasoning after analysing Comperatore video:

The bullet takes 146 ms to travel from Crooks to Corey, then another 31 ms to reach Trump.
For shot 1, Corey’s crack is at 1:18.657, so 1:18.688 for Trump.
For shot 2, Corey’s crack is at 1:19.513, so 1:19.544 for Trump.
Trump begins raising his hand at 1:19 + 20 frames, or between 1:19.833 and 1:19.875, or about 1.2 seconds after shot 1 and 0.3 seconds after shot 2.

So 1.2 s reaction time seems very long so I think that is shot 2 that hits Trump’s ear.

I have done the same with PBSNews video and I find that:

Crack 2 at 8:37.341 and Trump begins to move his arm at 8:37 + 17 frames so about at 8:37.56 so about 0.22 s after.