Have you decided on a location for the other shooters (besides Crooks)? Could you give me geo coords? I’m doing a crack-bang analysis.
Where is the recording from? Dayve’s video?
This is a red flag for me. Everything is still debatable.
That the left and right channels are so different is a very strong indication that the second three “shots” was just some noise close to the phone.
So where do you think they came from?
No, one of Doug Mills’ photos shows Trump with blood on his hand after touching his ear, while still standing.
AGR 9 behind Crooks
@phiphi-the-frenchie @kincses-zsolt
Is it possible to detect a crack-thump difference of 1 millisecond and reliably and validly distinguish it from a crack-thump difference of 0 milliseconds if the crack is not the 120dB shock wave itself, but rather the sound wave that continues to propagate after the Mach cone has “frozen”? Both the crack and the thump are approximately 90 dB, i.e., equally loud.
Can you calculate the distance of the trajectories to the stage microphone without assuming that the first shot hit Trump?
But only with the assumption that Crooks fired from his position.
No, but Baldy was ~North, on a line from Copenhaver’s triceps to Trump’s right ear. Can we start with the hired-gun, the ‘pro’, a paunchy ~60 year old bald man! ?
No, but I could guess
Dayve’s
Wow, that ~2.3 seconds is the ONLY noise I hear, on a silent background. I claim that Dayve was in shock, motionless, as was the crowd.
Snaps 2 and 3 sound ~1 octave ‘higher’ than Snap 1, maybe because of barrel temperature?
And don’t higher spikes on Channel “R” give clues to the direction of the snaps, relative to Dayve’s 2 phone microphones?
I’ve considered it long enough to think of some good weaknesses.
And as unhandyandy just reminded me, Doug Mills of the NY Times, no friend of Mr. Trump, took a photo that showed blood on his hand before he hit the ground.
I’ll check that. It’s good to be precise.
I’m pretty sure he has told his father.
How would the out-party candidate get ahold of an MK-Ultraed person?
Tell that to Kim Cheatle and Ron Rowe. And what would cause them to make so many documented holes in their protection? So many documented holes that even the Democratic members of the House and Senate committees were alarmed?
That just makes no sense.
It was only the one guy who testified. But the entire culture of the Secret Service had devolved to the point where people would take orders and not worry about whether they made sense, or else they might have hell to pay.
I don’t know WHY I’m giving you a straight answer here, but I’m using the following approximation:
Measure the closest point of the bullet path to the recording device (in feet). Multiply by 0.8 milliseconds, and subtract that from the snap bang time. So if the bullet’s nearest point is 10 feet from a microphone, the snap bang time will be 8 milliseconds less than if it passed within inches.
The numbers were thrashed out months ago here, mostly by Kinces, I think.
Can you give me geo coords + elevation?
Or at least a location on an aerial view?
Not for me, but I’m neither a gun nor audio expert. My margin of error never gets below about 5 ms.
No idea what you mean, the Mach cone doesn’t “freeze”.
Calculating the distance has nothing to do with whether or not Trump was hit.
Yes, and they also give clues to distance. A large difference between L and R means a short distance.
The Mach cone does not continue to grow once the bullet stops flying at supersonic speed.
Yes, I only mentioned it because Phiphi had done similar calculations and assumed that Trump’s ear must have been hit.
That’s good to hear. Let’s see what the other audio experts think.
Open the .kml file from September 25, 2024 in Google Earth.
I prefer to assume incompetence rather than malevolence. These security details must be incredibly boring.
OK, you’re right that the point of the cone doesn’t continue to extend after that, but the sides of the cones continue extending in the normal direction.
Thanks. That could be extremely helpful if it’s accurate. Who placed the markers for the videorecordings?
I take it you’re referring to the three circles on the “High Roof”? Do you prefer one of them?
~10 seconds before those 3 snaps, with chaotic background noise, I heard 5 snaps, similar sound, maybe not as loud, as Dayve was still at some point between the fence and AGR6…Trump said, “that’s a bit old that chart…that’s a couple uh months old(SNAP SNAP SNAP)…if you uh wanna really see something that’s sad(SNAP SNAP) take a look…” etc…
The sonic boom then propagates as a normal sound wave perpendicular to the “frozen” Mach cone.
However, @kincses-zsolt believes that the angle is not 90°, but becomes smaller as it approaches the tip of the cone.
@howdoiknowthisinfo together with other members here in the forum over one year ago
Yes, this building, but through a hole of the front wall
It could be a way for King to excuse his failure.
He claimed repeatedly that he couldn’t see the north slopes of any roofs, so he could be saying that he didn’t see the shooter until he was alerted by the sound of shots.
I saved the .pdf minutes ago, and will try to find the word ‘smoke’.
Unbelievable if he thought Crooks was a cop.
Btw, what makes you think the bullet ever slows down that much?
It’s true that the angle of the crack depends on the speed of the bullet, which slows down slightly in its course. Is that what Kincses meant?
OK, how high?
But there’s a serious problem with the hypothesis of a shot from this building:
Source 4 would have recorded a crack - but it didn’t.
@kincses-zsolt will be able to explain that to you better.
At least high enough that it could have been fired over the roof of AGR 6 (from which Crooks fired) and hit the upper railing of the right-hand grandstand.
I dont think so:
Firstly, the purple line, i.e. the supersonic boom propagating further as a normal sound wave, only just reaches source 4.
Secondly, in this case, the crack-thump difference should only be 1 millisecond if the bullet from AGR9 flew 1 meter above Crooks or 1 meter past him.
If Crooks had fired, the difference would be 0 milliseconds.
But maybe I’ve overlooked something.
In both cases, crack and thump would be almost equally loud at around 90dB.
So you think the bullet became subsonic right after passing AGR 6? What kind of rifle do you think was used?
You think the shots were timed to coincide that closely?
The only solution for a staged assassination (only applies to the first three shots; I am not claiming that Comperatore is still alive) is that the first three bullets were fired at supersonic speed from AGR9. By using a very large stationary suppressor, the volume of the muzzle blast could have been reduced so much that when it reached the nearest microphone (Dayve Stewert) 80 meters away, it was only 40dB loud.
Crooks would then have had to fire training ammunition (rubber bullets). This would have allowed Crooks to create the muzzle blast, and the bullets would have flown in such a way that they could not hit Trump due to the roof of AGR6.
Of course, this would have had to be synchronized to the millisecond. This would have been technically possible.
To increase the muzzle velocity so much that the bullet would have been just as fast when it reached Crooks as a bullet fired by Crooks would have been, an AR15 with an extended barrel would probably have been sufficient.
It is technically possible to build mechanical delays (accurate to the millisecond) into an AR15.
Via radio (light speed), a rifle from AGR9 could have been fired automatically at the right time.
In this scenario, the conspirators would be operating at the limits of what is technically possible, but that would be desirable from their point of view because it would make it all the more unlikely that anyone would catch on to them.
I’m talking about the crack, not the bang. Do you think the bullet became subsonic by the time it passed AGR 6? That’s the only way Source 4 could have failed to record a crack.
Or are you saying the crack Source 4 recorded was from AGR 9, not from AGR 6? That’s not what you suggested above, hence my confusion.
Why would the plan require two shooters at all for a fake assassination attempt? Isn’t this ridiculously over-complicated?
Do you think Crooks volunteered to sacrifice his life for Trump? And he’d planned to so do since 2021, when his posts tilted Left?
