So It's Back To First Principles

as promised a preview of the kml you will receive in a couple of minutes…

as you can easily see, there is a negligible difference between shots fired from the alleged shooter you all call crooks and the location from which the real shooter shot his rounds from my perspective.

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The 2nd roof looks to be 4 ft above the first roof and building 7 probably 6 ft. above that second roof. What @BigTim said makes sense that the assassin could have brought something with him. Here is a collapsible stool that holds 550 lbs, gives you close to 18" height, and folds up into a 10" x 10" x 2.36". It’s probably standard gear for every rooftop assassin. (Ya gotta have a little fun with this stuff. :grin:)

Collapsible Stool

the lines of sight, should the alleged roof man have fired the shots look like this:

the lines of sight of the man on the higher roof look like this:

I do realize that the text and the pins can overlap and be kind of overloading the image, but that is a minor issue…

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these are all the incoming rounds combined.

as there is consensus that two guns have been used, due to the different sound patterns of the first 3 and the subsequent 5 shots, I put two rifles on the highest roof. one for the first 3 rounds, one for the next 5.

you can clearly see that the naked eye cannot make any distinction between the two locations…

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Let me try to summarize your images. Assuming they are correct sea level elevations:

  • 2 Story AGR #7 north building. 417 meters
  • 1 Story AGR #6 south building roof where Crooks was found. 412 meters.
  • Trump’s ear: 412 meters
  • Victims in the SE most top corner of stands: 412 meters.
  • Hydraulic line: 412 meters.

The heights all line up satisfactorily and the trajectory windage all lines up as well. From the north 2 story, there’s a 5 meter (2%) downward trajectory, all of which can reasonably be explained by rifle distancing zero, bullet type/weight/caliber, etc.

The audio time is problematic but may be explained by better understanding of variable inputs.

Otherwise, I think this is a very plausible location. As I’ve stated for a week or more now, it offers the professional excellent vantage of rally, Trump on stage, Crooks getting into position, law enforcement, and a 360 degree view. He could have hid up there in a white Tyvex suit for hours, there’s two short walls facing the north and east to conceal him. Excellent escape route off the back while everyone is occupied with Crooks. Same rifle trajectories. Would explain the different rifle reports and echos. And this position is shielded from view from all 4 counter sniper teams by trees, obstacles, and the team in the AGR is facing the wrong way.

Great work!

If you watch the source video where this still picture comes from, you might see a head pop up between the air vents. I suspect this is the professional assassin. It appears in the boosted cop video as well, different location/angle.



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I am not a believer in the vent hypothesis…

shooting from a confined space is something which is not easy to muffle.

it looks like that I cannot upload a zip file.

feel free to download the current snapshot from https://www.howdoiknowthisinfo.com/butler/snapshots/snapshot_current.zip

allow me to vent something (no pun intended :wink:

the ones (more precisely, the many) that have been gaslighting me the past week should realize that they were and are wrong and should look in the mirror to find out who is.

one of the problems is the over reliance on a model that is inherently broken beyond repair.

my two cents.

now I am going asleep.
it is 7.56 am and I have to go to work in a couple of hours.

Oh for sure. Thanks for the upload. I’ll have to check this whole Belgian trajectory tomorrow also.

No there is not a consensus at all. It is just one of many hypothesis.

Once again, you show your arrogance knows no bounds.

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I was waiting for somebody to raise this issue, because I don’t always want to be the guy to suggest potential conspiracy theories, but I have to admit that I also have the strong feeling that these videos have gone through a lot of photoshop. For those people who do not know, Steward was immediately arrested and released the same day, but they kept his phone for 3 or 4 days giving ample time to edit his video.

I watched Stewards video at least 10 times frame by frame and shorty before the shooting and shortly after the shooting when things get really really interesting, either the camara blurs out or some strange gray color appears at the most interesting places, at the most interesting time, especially the vents. I recommend everybody to watch 10 seconds before and 10 seconds after the shooting screen by screen. You can do that with Microsoft Clipchamp setting the speed 0.1 and double-clicking on the play button. The 5 frames back button is also extremely helpful. Below just a few findings of potential photoshop. Judge for yourself or go look at the video frame by frame.

I did however see suspicious activity coming out of the windows that maybe the photo shopper missed out on? I recommend everybody who has not seen my post (177 in the site reconstruction forum) to take a look:

Also on the police body cam you can see the same. Here the photo shopper was lazy and just covered up the entire wall with paint. So you can see the corrugated iron wall magically vanishes covering up the most interesting part of this video.

And just one thing, needless to answer this post by saying that the camara is moving and that the video can distort… of course everybody agrees to that, but the fact that only the most interesting parts are coved up goes beyond standard distortion.

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Hi Kwaka,
I took the time to rotate the elements to be aligned as you indicated and surprisingly (or maybe, not surprisingly) the left bleachers upper left corner would have been in the way of the trajectory…

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Not being a gun guy, I am asking all gun and military specialists in this forum: What is this and when do you use it? The reason I ask, is because when searching by image the below picture, Google suggested this image.

realDjStew’s video is one of the 5 videos on which allegedly military drones have been seen flying at about eye level where you put your horizontal red arrow in the last picture.

it might indeed well be that his videos have been cleaned up and enhanced with things that did not happen…

about:

yes, that is very clear…

btw: I am still awaiting the speed of sound you have been using in the sound analysis.
the information I provided to you a couple of hours ago can easily be extended with the times of flight and the delays of the sound arriving at a certain location, but I would need to get the same speed of sound as you are using to avoid nonsensical dismissing comments from your part

these are exactly the points I have raised and “the powers that be” ignore these completely…

exactly right, and even if the sea level would be slightly off, it will still be consistently “slightly off” on the various points in this small area, he…

whether the audio time is problematic is not yet so certain… I have been asking for the speed of sound that was used for the sound analysis and roger, who just confirmed that he has no clue whatsoever about guns, keeps ignoring this simple request…

I can easily add the times of flight at different velocities in my analysis tool and adding the times the sound travels is easy to do too, but as long as he does not provide authoritative information about this aspect, he hinders the any transparency…

I really wonder why a guy who confirms he is no gun guy whatsoever is in charge of a bullet trajectory analysis project…

when I pointed out that the relevant end points for these trajectory analyses are the proven bullet holes and the assumed muzzle positions, he bullshitted around claiming that the metal of the bleachers railing would have deflected the bullet trajectory significantly, but he does not provide any references whatsoever.

now I know why: he does not even know the bare basics…

I enumerated a couple of my credentials in one of my first posts, and I stay in my lane, which cannot be said about many…

anyway, thanks for having taken the time to check out the posts I made!

Well, if anyone is in the ceiling crawl space assassin camp, it seems the photoshopped is letting you know where that location is.

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The theory by Mike Adams of Natural News in how the three rounds where much further away than the other five is wrong. He suggested the rifle was in a side mounted position to lower the overall profile for the first three shots, this would cause the empty shell castings to be thrown up instead of too the right, and so go much further away.

It is clear that suspect started with the rifle in a standard mounted position, throwing all he empty castings to the right. If he did actually fire any shots?

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hello roger,

you seem to assume that a bullet travels in a straight line trajectory, which is not the case.
the straight line of sight is the lower boundary of the bullet’s trajectory and the range at which the weapon has been zeroed determines approximately where the bullet drops below this line of sight…

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Your image of a man in a helmet shows:

  1. Kevlar helmet, bullet resistance up to small caliber rifle rounds.
  2. Electronic ear protection and talk/listen radio with mic.
  3. Metal helmet bracket mount for mounting various optics that can fold up and away. Generally, as in this case, a type of infra-red night vision type optic. This is in the stowed-up position, and would be folded down over one eye for night vision abilities. There are other versions with two optics for both eyes.
  4. Some various side brackets on helmet are common for mounting things like lights, cameras, IR strobes (so you can identify friendlies at night in IR optics so you don’t shoot them, drop bombs on them, can ID them from afar, etc.), etc.

These devices are all now very common in US military and law enforcement tactical units.

Images of them deployed in use demonstrated:
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Thank you for reminding people, as I have tried to do.

THIS is something folks are missing with trajectories when drawing a laser-like straight line from point of shooter to point of impact. Bullets do not work that way.

With a 5.56mm (and most others) there will be a variance between the optic and the barrel, generally a couple inches, that must be accounted for when “zeroing” a rifle at different ranges. There will also be a slight bullet “arc” or a slight rise and then a dip which continues until it strikes something. This is “elevation.” There can and generally is ALSO be a lateral “windage” or side-to-side movement based on wind. For extremely long shots, professionals even factor the rotation of the earth in their calculations! The key takeaway is bullets are not lasers. The drift up and down, side to side as well.

For those that don’t know this, all other variables equal, an unimpeded bullet fired exactly parallel to the earth, will fall and land on the ground at the exact rate as a dropped bullet at the same time from the same height. IOW they will land on the ground at the same time. So remember that when trying to determine trajectory. Gravity is always at play.

In this case, we don’t know at what bullet type and weight nor do we know range the rifle(s) were zeroed, or where their points of aim were. The bullet that struck Trump, might have been aimed for his chest or throat and been a bad zero, or a bad aim, etc. We just don’t know. Further, there was a eastern wind of 5 to 7 mph.

In input some best guesses and other data and came up with, if using 55 grain .223 and a zero of 100 yards, with known elevation (415 meters), wind speed 7mph, temps, and other data or best guesses as estimates:

At 150 yards, the bullet drops 1 inch and drifts 2.2 inches.
At 300 yards, the bullet drops 13.6 inches and drifts 3.1 inches. In this case, from west to east.

So, Crooks would need to adjust his zero or accommodate for range: 25 yards, 100 yards, 150 yards (hence the range finder may have aided him in adjusting zero). Same with the potential shooter on the N. rooftop. There are adjustments on the rifle or optic to allow a shooter to adjust to known distances. But we know and can calculate within reason how much drift and drop those bullets experienced.

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yes, what i find very striking is that several of the most active critics and deniers of what we say on this forum have no shooting experience at all (for example roger and brian confirm this in their own posts).

how is it possible that the project leader of a project for trajectory and ballistics analysis does not even have the most basic knowledge of ballistics, rejects very viable options based on prejudice, bias and cognitive dissonance and makes such bold statements without any references or relevant qualifications?

the answer is, from my point of view, very simple: the attack on Trump has been carefully orchestrated and made possible by undermining the skills and expertise of the people he should be able to trust blindly.

well, here we see the same thing: Chris is a trustworthy person and has a very solid core team supporting him, but the second layer of his people is infiltrated by purely incompetent bullies with no good intentions!

and when i point this out, i am the one who is labeled arrogant…

so be it :wink: