I guess your acronym is “conspiracy theorists”, and others must have their own motives.
But if you see 3 closeups, Copenhaver and Dutch, and add that NBC’s Tom Llamas claimed, “attorneys for both men say this video shows both men gettilng shot”, do you think Copenhaver and Dutch were hit with Shots 1,2,3 in the first 2 seconds?
I have no opinion on this: it’s well outside any area of expertise I have, and it’s very difficult to untangle complicated events that took place in seconds. Bullets, shrapnel, physiology, psychology, all have to be considered.
And you expect me to believe a tort lawyer?
I was hoping that you could believe Copenhaver and Dutch, because they (must have) told Feldman Brothers what I saw from the MJTruthUltra video.
And you’ve really missed a point.
Of all the CTs and MSMs and any ‘broadcasters’ in between, Llamas is the only 1 that didn’t lie !
Question: have you even watched/listened to Dayve’s video?
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Llamas accurately reported what the tort lawyers said?
I watched his video of the shooting itself. Are you referring to something else?
That seems to be true.
However, that does not change the fact that, according to Michael Yon, a fake could most likely be detected based on the raw file.
So my theory could be confirmed or refuted.
So far, the raw file has not been published.
If the supersonic bullet had been fired from building AGR 9, in an extreme case it could have flown just 1 meter above Thomas Crooks or 1 meter past him.
This would result in a crack-thump difference of 1 millisecond, and both the crack and thump would be equally loud at around 90dB.
And you’re sure you can always recognize a crack?
@greg_n Under these circumstances, would you always be able to recognize a crack?
Furthermore, it is not at all clear whether a crack from AGR 6 should be audible on source 4 or not.
In the following image, the purple line on the right shows the border between AGR 9 crack and AGR 6 crack. To the left of it, only AGR 9 crack should be audible, and to the right of it, AGR 6 crack should be audible.
However, this is only under the assumption that the shock wave of the Mach cone continues to propagate perpendicularly to its surface as a normal sound wave after it collapses.
Can you refute that this propagation occurs perpendicularly to the Mach cone?
Three police cruisers drove into the parking lot to stop Crooks. So far, only the dashcam footage from one car has been released.
We know that footage from at least one other cruiser exists because it was shown during a task force hearing, albeit without sound.
@offtheback believes he has discovered that the only dashcam recording published so far has been manipulated.
He has discovered an echo that had more energy than the report itself.
Can you refute his claim?
I got confused with the labels for the videos. More than one label was used for most of them.
The audio recording in question is (Ross/TMZ/Source 3). It was recorded next to the tree. His name is Mike DiFrischia.
You’re right that if the crack from AGR9 coincided with the boom from AGR6, they would be hard to tell apart.
But here I think is the coup de grace to your theory:
The bullet from AGR9 would have to pass over AGR6 at the instant Crooks’ rifle makes its boom, in order for the crack-boom recorded by most phones to be consistent with Crooks firing the shot. Under that constraint, it is still possible for the crack and boom to coincide as you require - but only at special points.
Namely, those points on a line through Crooks at an angle perpendicular to the Mach Cone. Above that line, i.e. closer to AGR9, it’s not possible.
A picture would be helpful for clarification.
Apparently you didn’t watch NBC’s 10 minute 14 October interview(Copenhaver+Dutch.)
No, Llamas didn’t report Feldman Brothers’ statement.
Llamas simply said, “Attorneys for both men say this video shows them getting shot.”
(After having shown Trump’s reaction, to 3 shots in 2 seconds)
Llamas showed Copenhaver’s and Dutch’s reactions, from a different recording, of the same 2 seconds.
Llamas also expressed his own opinion with his words, “Both men were hit with bullets aimed at the former President.”
That’s his opinion, and is my opinion, and apparently is Sean Davis’ opinion(Tucker’s January video).
Your ‘official narrative’ hangs on a hope that Copenhaver’s arm was hit by 1 of the 5 shots in 0.78 second, as SonjaX6 suggests.
If Copenhaver’s abdomen was hit by 1 of the 5 very fast shots, but his arm was hit by Supersonic Shot 1…that’s ridiculously improbable/unbelievable…and your ‘official narrative’ still predeceases all of us.
Your best chance, if bullet hit DJT’s ear, then Copenhaver’s arm, is to repeat your words that “Crooks had 10 seconds” to run, or crawl, ~20 meters east from his shooting spot to his dying spot.
I’m referring to the sounds of suppressed gunshots, from more than 1 gun.
But President Trump was saved by God. There was a strong and persistent wind out of the West that day, and Crooks either did not know how to compensate for it, or failed to compensate enough, and that is totally the reason that Trump is alive today. The 8 MPH wind that day, perpendicular to the bullet’s path, caused 5 inches of deflection. If it had not been for the Divine Wind that day, Trump would be dead.
Other factors that may have come into play was the fact that people on the ground were shouting “He’s got a gun” and one of the officers tried to climb up on the roof to stop him. That may have caused Crooks to rush his shots instead of taking careful aim.
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I can not refute it by technical means because of the extreme situation that you have portrayed: An electro-mechanically triggered rifle with such a large suppressor that at 140 meters the DJStew, TMX and Cruiser videos did not hear the muzzle blast. I can only refute it by saying that common-sense logic tells me that such an elaborate scheme is unreasonable.
So, a shot from 260 yards designed to just nick Trump? Again, while technically possible, common sense tells me that’s unreasonable. Even a professional shooter could be off by an inch at that distance, and that could be the difference between life and death.
No. The video I call TMX (due to the webpage I got it from saying “credit: TMX”) is called “Source 2 hes got a gun by fence line” here in Peak Prosperity. I had already given it the name TMX a couple weeks before I happened to find the forum here. I apologize for the confusion that has caused.
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Do you disagree that Copenhaver was shot in the abdomen, after being shot in the arm?
If you agree that he was shot, once or twice, but not 3 times, which shots hit Copenhaver?
I don’t know. That’s not something I’ve looked at. The only thing I know about bullet impacts is that shot #3 was the one that severed the telehandler hydraulic line. The spray was captured on the “Don’t Run” video at the same time that the crack of shot #3 was recorded. And the crack of shot #6 on that same video was highly-attenuated. So, I think that indicates that shot #6 was the one that hit Corey.
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I agree with Shot 6 hitting Corey, but I think Shot 2 went right through Dutch’s ribs, and hit the hydraulic fluid.
If a legal case is heard in a courtroom, any jury will believe:
Shot 1: Copenhaver
Shot 2: Dutch(and the JCB machine)
Shot 3: Copenhaver
I can see those 3 beyond doubt without judge or jury.
In the Corey frame below, Trump’s checking his ear, and Copenhaver’s arm has flipped up.
No. Unless it took 1.5 seconds [edit: I should have said 0.68 seconds, the correct time between shots 2 and 3] for the hydraulic fluid to start spraying out (which wouldn’t make any sense), Shot 3 was the one that hit the JCB telehandler. Here is the video evidence. This is zoomed way in on the right side of the image. In frame 870 there is no spray visible. In frame 871 you can clearly see the spray shooting horizontally from the right edge of the frame, spraying to the left. “C3” on the audio waveform timeline means the crack of shot #3. “B3” is the boom.
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I disagree, and so would a jury in courtroom.
A better view is from Corey’s video, which shows the speaker start to wobble as Dutch goes down, which was just before Copenhaver’s abdomen shot.
Corey’s video was 24 frames/second, and the speaker visibly shakes, certainly less than 36 frames(1.5 seconds) before Dutch goes down.
I’ll make it into another slideshow, with no audio to confuse anyone.
The speaker wobble, and not the fluid spraying, defined the time of impact.
David Dutch, hit with Supersonic Shot 2 at frame 8.
Speaker rocks, wobbles, no later than frame 12, and the speaker is clearly falling at frame 20, 1/2 second after the JCB hydraulic fluid was hit, with pressure loss.
James Copenhaver’s knees buckle at frame 33, and James’ knees remain buckled.
James has suffered temporary paralysis, because Supersonic Shot 3 has wedged against his spine, after piercing his abdomen.
The source of this video was 24 frames/second, so each second of this 43 seconds represents 1/24 of 1 second.
No, I don’t think such a scenario is possible because the risk to Trump would have been too great due to inaccuracy.
In my theory, the first 3 bullets would have been fired at least 1 meter above Trump. And the roof of AGR 6 would have been a physical barrier between the rifle in AGR 9 and Trump. That way, Trump could not have been hit.
The muzzle blast from AGR 9 would have reached the microphones after Thomas Crooks’ muzzle blast.
And it would have been about 40dB loud for Dayve Stewert.
In the dashcam recording of the cruiser, this muzzle blast should have been significantly louder, but according to @offtheback , this recording was manipulated.
Here’s a sketch of the proof:
daniel59.pdf (2.0 MB)
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I was referring to Source 3 the whole time, but unfortunately I confused it with Source 4.
Source 3 (Mike DiFrischia) was standing next to the tree, where the red dot is in the following picture.
So close to the green line, the difference between muzzle blast and crack could be 0 milliseconds, in case Crooks had fired.
Greg also thinks that muzzle blast and crack can arrive there at the same time.
I did not claim that muzzle blast and crack would arrive at source 3 at exactly the same time if the bullet was fired from building AGR 9 and the muzzle blast was generated by Crooks.
I claimed that the difference could be as little as 1 millisecond in extreme cases.
That’s why I don’t understand what exactly you’re trying to prove.