With how common spelling mistakes have been found in our findings, what are the odds that this Lt. Harold could perhaps be this same Lt. Herold?
Interestingly, this is the date of that very promotion:
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Am I going nuts here? Mike Nicol jumped out at me as a mysterious figure, somebody I’ve never seen anything about. Then I start wondering what the M in Gregory M Nicol stands for, and it’s Michael.
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Yeah, honestly that M Nicol name stood out to me too, we’ve already got a couple Nicols, seemed odd for there to now be another, but the middle name angle IS something we’ve seen to be common around here it seems.
Also, @VegasPatriot, you were looking for Matt Setnar:
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It caught me by surprise, too, seeing another Nicol. But, after doing so much searching for people in rural Western PA, it’s not surprising to see family members involved. So, either they are brothers or cousins, and likely got the name Michael from a father or grandfather, one a first name and one a middle name because there was already a Michael first name in the family. That’s my take.
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Thank you! I’ll look into Harold, too.
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Here’s some stuff about Jurysta. Local EMS study hopes to reveal solutions to funding, staffing issues – Cranberry Eagle
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I’m thinking he might be in this photo.
“Members of the Troop D Command Staff participated in the Special Olympics Polar Pop. Special Olympics Athletes assisted in popping the balloons! Members at Troop D Butler raised money during February to donate to the annual Pittsburgh Polar Plunge.”
Edit: We’re down to 1 possibility for Lt. Herold.
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I did run across that article, but didn’t scroll all the way down and see the other photos. Silly me. Thanks!
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Jacob May, Leechburg https://www.leadertimes.com/front-page/leechburg-borough-council-presents-new-full-time-police-officer-to-meeting-audience/article_0b3ab392-dd96-5ee5-8d1a-6d7cdc2615bd.html
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Bingo! We can do 5 year old photos.
Do you have access to Butler Eagle articles? I seem to recall you sharing a few. If so, can you look through this Polar Pop article to see if they identify the white and yellow balloon Lieutenants? I can only see the green balloon Lt. Don Sankey to rule him out.
State police raise money for Special Olympics – Butler Eagle
Well, does this help at all?
Trooper Herb Rieger is drenched by a bucket of water from Trooper Joshua Black, left, and Sgt. Joseph Zandarski, right, during the Polar Pop event at the state police Butler barracks on Wednesday.
Unfortunately, no. Neither of them are Lieutenants. I will continue searching for other articles of the event.
I found something. Is it real or fake?
My overall view is, I never experienced this kind of peripatetic style debade. (Either the leader speakes and others not allowed to say even a word, or heated people always interrupt each other, maybe slap the table sometimes.)
This is much like a chess game, one step to another. (One sentence to another, like Platon and Aristotel on Agora.) At the end he kicks the chessboard.
Fake.
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have a look at the following:
based on google earth, the middle barn is 50 ft wide.
if we take the layout image of the end-of-day vertical overview, we clearly see that 3 side-by-side copies of the red square podium is just shy of 50 ft…
if the podium was 15x15 ft, it would have ended up at 45 ft, and 3 of them side by side are clearly wider than that…
let’s make a note that today, 2 months after the event, you are still using erroneous dimensions for a very crucial object in the whole story…
Hi howdoiknowthisinfo,
I appreciate your effort always to try to contradict my statements.
Did you use a pair of scissors and some glue for your analysis and then scanned your paper? Sorry for being so sarcastic, but I always get the feeling with you that you present very confusing and dubious claims (e.g. back tracing a bullet trajectory from a punched hydraulic hose?!?) Everybody has to then take time to debunk something that is so evident not to be possible from the get-go…
And here I am again wasting time debunking your collage.
Since you are using Google Earth, why not use the applications that are at your disposal? Just in case you don’t know how they work, let me explain. And please everybody that has a doubt the stage is 16 feet, please follow these easy steps:
Take two precise points in Google Earth that can be clearly defined in both pictures. In this example I took the two corners of the barns. These are very good to work with using the measuring cross to set the red point exactly. Please have a look at both red points giving us 74.18 feet.
Superpose the picture from the Trump rally and crop and turn down until the same two corners match perfectly (I had to put on my reading glasses for that one 
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Once perfectly in scale go and measure the stage length, it is EXACTLY 15 feet!
The stage length is 15 feet.
I finally was able to update our “Peak Prosperity joint citizen investigation bullet back tracing project” update 6
It has been a long time since version 5 was released. But thanks to everybody’s strong engagement a lot of new data has been improved and well documented.
Especially special thanks to @rough_country_gypsy 
who went on site and could clarify the most important and missing points for us to be able to finalize version 6.
I don’t want to get into any debate about 1 or 2 shooters, I am just presenting the CAD model which shows us, what we have all worked on. This project is based on mathematical analyses and has no bias. It is not that complicated, we only need to determine two points in space, namely the height of Trumps ear and the height of the bleachers.
Everything else can be rather easy to find out.
So you will see a considerable different impact point compared to version 5, namely the shot goes directly to window 3 from building 6.
What made it go down there? Well, thanks to KHunter drawing the attention that the stage is for sure at 3.75 feet brought the trajectory down from Vent 3 to Window 3.
Also, there was a considerable offset in my version 5 drawing, have taken the Vent 3 and windows from a picture (with wide angle objective) put these positions completely in the wrong position. @phasefive drew my attention to the fact. Then I used the @schroederized method by setting each element exactly in the correct position by counting the roof panels. This method has really come in handy, because I have learned the hard way (and maybe this is a message to everybody in this forum) if you use pictures that are not PERFECTLY taken frontal and without a wide angle, it is impossible to use that document as a reference. I have witnessed it too many times now. As soon as you get a picture from the perspective, don’t use it to trace back trajectories. It is a waste of time!
Another offset I had in version 5 was eliminated thanks to the drone top view video provided by @rough_country_gypsy.
Please have a look and I am willing to discuss any topic, but I will refuse to answer any baseless claims or dubious pictures in perspective taken with a wide-angle camera. If someday wants to challenge any data point in this drawing, please indicate the reference number and show evidence that it is not possible. As you know, as soon as somebody comes up with evidence, I am the first person to take it into consideration and include it in the next upgrade, the way we have doing it in the past 1.5 months.
Just a small anecdote, the first time I traced the bullet on my CAD system, the trajectory pointed under the ground of building 6. So, I had two hypotheses on that:
- It was a Zombie who shot
- We definitely need to get more accurate data.
So, this is the report that is written in the drawing below:
“According to our research in this forum the first shot hits Trumps ear and then the right corner of the bleachers (ref. 723 and ref. 965) Therefore, we have two points locked in space. Using these two positions we can back trace the bullet and find out the origin of the shooter. According to this document the back traced bullet does not lead to the position of Crooks on the roof (offset in vertical position is 9.01 feet and horizontal offset is 5.52 feet), According to this calculation the back traced bullet originated from window 3 of building 6 (59.39 feet from the side wall of building 6 and 6.39 feet from the floor). Therefore, according to this document, there are two shooters, Crooks and somebody from window 3, building 6”
Here are some screen shots and below you can find the new document version 6:
View twards building 6, window 3:
Back traced bullet, drawing a line from the bleachers corner and Trumps ear:
There is no collision with left bleachers
There is no collision with the fence:
side view:
Crooks shot is not in line with the two points:
If Crooks hits Trump ear, the bleachers is missed considarably:
If Crooks hits the bleachers, then he can’t hit Trumps ear:
Here are the impact points in 3D:
If we backtrace the bullet from the bleachers corner and Trumps ear, the trajectory misses Crooks as follows:
You can find the last two measurements in Version 6:
It is getting more and more difficult to find a way up to Crooks and frankly speaking, I have never seen such a detailed drawing showing a path way to Crooks. If somebody has this type of detailed information leading up to Crooks, I would definitly be intrested in seeing that document.
Together we are stong!
Disclaimer:
This is just a hypothetical analysis subject to be debunked. This is for citizen investigation purposes only.
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This seems to check all the boxes.
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Chis’ audio exploration seeming to indicate two sets of shooters
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fact that the first three shots all missed Trump - he was still standing during all three initial shots. I had always wondered how a shooter could miss 3 times, never mind the initial miss. And why wouldn’t shots 2 or 3 be into center mass? This would explain it. The angle for hitting Trump was actually extremely tough from that third window. The shots would clear the fence by a tiny 1.39 inches. Trump flinching down was enough to impede shots 2 and 3.
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I could buy it, but it would create other problems, like how did the extra casings get on the roof? The list of people who could have put them down is pretty small. Did they have a pocket full of casings? How did they know how many to put down?