So It's Back To First Principles

Using a snik-report of 220ms, a distance from muzzle-to-mic of 454 ft, mic-to-ear of 1.07 ft, and speed of sound 1152 fps, the average velocity must be very close (within a couple of fps, say ±5 fps) to 2622 fps.

Whatever rounds are in that range are the only possibilities. And they must be in that range coming out of Crooks’ gun barrel length, which I believe is 16"? Many of the sample ballistics you gave were shot out of 20" and 24" barrels which significantly affect velocities.

I don’t understand all the notations in your chart and many of your numbers are unfamiliar, and I have no idea what you mean by “-x%”.

Bottom line: The only possibilities are cartridges that produce an average bullet velocity between 2617 and 2627 fps at 454 ft.

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If you go on site it’s maybe worth to make a stop at Martin’s Pizzeria (next to King Cones Castle - the ice cream shop that most likely captured Crooks going ontop of the roof by their surveillance camera) and check if this guy is working there. He was in the crowd west of AGR6.

Martin’s Pizzeria - Google Maps



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@brian60221 @sorey @prayingpatriot

I forgot to look at the second page of the Detail Plan Communications List and saw one more Beaver County ESU listed, so they had 6 total at the rally. (I couldn’t let it rest and just had to start digging. :nerd_face:) Since Nicol’s wife isn’t technically ESU, she’s a Medic and Deputy Coroner, that leaves 6 of the 8 in the ABC interview photo as being those ESU members. Young doesn’t count. The 2 unknowns are most likely co-workers of Priolo’s at the Beaver Valley Regional Police Department. I believe I have the top left “Unkown” as Derek Shipley, and the other is one of two officers on that police force. I have yet to tie either of those names to a face. Shipley is found in many of the BVRPD’s news stories.

What do you think?

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in case no one saw this yet. @cmartenson

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Hmm, I’m not sure what this document is. Isn’t it just edited with someone’s guesses?

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Probably 16’', based on photogrammetric measurement by vt1. And @howdoiknowthisinfo has an officially looking photograph of (probably) that gun in conjunction with an inch rule here, but as usual without a reference to the source.

Crawford fits for the 17:55 and 17:59 entries, but I had those as “S” based on the text message. If it is the real deal, it confirms Priolo was where I thought he was, and Roger “Patrick” Young must have been there with him.

Body was left overnight on the roof.

SOP (I have been informed_ to removed weapon from suspect once physical contact is made.

Casing count delivered out loud on multiple bodycams from Beaver County officers on the roof in the minutes right after Crooks dies.

The van was never a part of the shooting. Here on the forum others have posted TikTok videos from a local Butler resident explaining that the van was unrelated to the shooting.

Well, I see a Denny Crawford associated with Penn Township, but somehow this person never had a reason to be in my notes before.

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https://x.com/JG_CSTT/status/1831912865772794020

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That was part of the photos released by the FBI.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/28/politics/fbi-gun-photos-trump-shooting/index.html

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Speaking of people and notes, I found Rich Lockhart in Rochester Township news after I saw that they joined the Beaver Valley Regional PD in September 2023. He is not the other unknown in the ABC interview, so I’m expecting to find that Jeff Roberts is the guy. I just have to go back to search more Rochester Township articles sine he was employed there also.

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OK, thanks for that. I’ll compare the original redacted one with this new one more carefully soon.

At first glance, this new document looks bad.

This is not what we should see if the police accidentally sent this guy an unredacted original document.

Hello Roger

Replying to my own message, I am shortly going to bed and still have not got it all together. After a more detailed analysis, I have radically changed my views on several critical values. I will need more time to explain it all. Hopefully tomorrow.

This guy does not look like unknown younger blue shirt guy.

Color me naive, but could you please explain what you expect to see with an accidentally disclosed document?

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Well, the original document was made shortly after the incident on July 13th. It was probably made in Microsoft Office or whatever the modern equivalent of it is, on Windows.

This new document was created/edited by the guy who says he received it from the police, and it was edited within the past day or two, on macOS.

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