No, I’m not sure, but I think @daniloraf would know.
I think it’s only the M500 system (or similar vehicle system) that has the extra tracks. We think they’re in the front (you can hear the A/C), and in the rear cabin where the suspects sit. Dropbox’s video viewer actually makes the tracks selectable via a little audio icon in the lower right. But I’m not sure we ever heard something amazing on one track that we couldn’t hear on the default track.
After carefully analyzing the data, considering the times corrections for shot 10 proposed by @greg_n, I can definitely say that all shots from 1 to 8 came from Crooks position.
Here is the map of medium error for predicted positions of shot 9 and 10 on Crooks position.
The cause of the error not been optimal at Crooks location derived from measurment errors for positions and times, sound speed estimation and possible sound diffractions in some cases.
Finally, I would like to thanks everybody (@greg_n, @howdoiknowthisinfo, @roger-knight, @kincses-zsolt, @offtheback, @bumblebeeez @sherlock-holmes and others) from the support even if you don’t agree with my conclusions. Also, thanks to @cmartenson for this community.
Hello Roger
You are not taking into account what I have already said on the points you raise. I have already addressed the issues you raise in previous posts. You are simply ignoring this and proceeding as if I have said nothing.
I have already told you why the risers are not 7.5 inches, but 8 inches. See my previous posts. The position of the podium that I gave and the ground value of the key side in question I find very solid. Mine is based on a perimeter of 64 feet (4 x 16 feet sides) – again I explained this in other posts.
You yourself in your latest post have incorrectly positioned the podium and used a perimeter of about 45 feet (about 11.25 feet sides). This is completely incorrect, and you seem totally unaware of it. You are also taking an average of an ‘aberrant ground height value’ to get 1336.419 feet. I told you before that this distorts the data and should not be done.
I could go on, but there is no point.
Roger, you are completely manipulating the data to choose whatever values give you a lower starting bullet elevation to support your ‘Window Theory.’
I hate to break it to you, but everybody in this forum sees right through you.
You are not fooling anybody, and you never have.
Do not reply to any posts that I make in the future. I find your entire contribution to this forum to be disingenuous and distracting.
you are most welcome.
could you share the coordinates for your conclusion such that I can update the kml file with the different points of interest?
thanks!
Shot 1 happens on the dashcam time 18:11:32, and on Dayve’s video at the mark of 04:55. The start of Dayve’s video should be aligned at the dashcam time of 18:06:37. Adjust from there, matching the peak from the shot on both audio tracks.
Thanks, I was trying to align the new enhanced version though and that sound clip doesn’t include the gunshots. I’ll have more time tomorrow to review dstewarts video and get a good alignment for syncing them together.
Video sync: Here you go. It’s in sync using shot 1 as reference, but I left just the conversation to reduce file size. Also, the audio is amplified and I added a zoom effect, which got the timestamp offscreen. The first frame from this clip on the server is from dashcam 18:13:42.
Wow, sounds great! Thank you! I should have used this file for that sync, instead of the original (maybe on the weekend I’ll reencode).
If we can enhance zoom the video & perhaps see their lips moving; a lip reader could possibly fill in the blanks.
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Here is the version 4 of the geolocations table.
| Table - Update 4 | Geolocation version | longitude E (m) | longitude N (m) | latitude (deg) | longitude (deg) | altitude (m) | height (m) | height method estimation | altitude + height (m) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Victim - Corey Comperatore | 1 | 586736.21 | 4523417.70 | 40.85722706 | -79.97089814 | 407.8 | 1.800 | guess | 409.600 |
| Victim - David Dutch | 3 | 586719.97 | 4523371.22 | 40.8568101 | -79.97109734 | 406.9 | 3.000 | pixel-degree conversion; altitude model SB | 409.900 |
| Video and Victim - James Copenhaver | 3 | 586722.04 | 4523372.12 | 40.85681797 | -79.9710727 | 406.9 | 3.500 | pixel-degree conversion; altitude model SB | 410.400 |
| Video - C3P meme | 1 | 586733.45 | 4523409.60 | 40.85715432 | -79.97093211 | 407.7 | 1.500 | guess | 409.200 |
| Video - South Bleacher lower | 1 | 586722.47 | 4523376.15 | 40.85685428 | -79.97106701 | 406.9 | 1.500 | guess | 408.400 |
| Video - Middle Bleacher NE | 1 | 586744.48 | 4523394.30 | 40.85701539 | -79.97080339 | 407.4 | 2.438 | 4 stairs of 8.25’ + guess | 409.838 |
| Photo - DRONE top stage | 1 | 586719.64 | 4523375.42 | 40.85684794 | -79.97110066 | 406.9 | 119.000 | drone study | 525.900 |
| Crooks_muzzle - Shot 1 to 8 | 1 | 586767.70 | 4523529.08 | 40.85822689 | -79.97050914 | 407.041 | 4.080 | pixel-degree conversion; altitude model B6 | 411.121 |
| Crooks_head | 1 | 586768.02 | 4523529.67 | 40.85823213 | -79.97050518 | 407.041 | 4.050 | pixel-degree conversion; altitude model B6 | 411.091 |
| SWAT officer - Shot 9 | 1 | 586761.86 | 4523426.72 | 40.85730557 | -79.97059263 | 407.4 | 1.700 | pixel-degree conversion 1 footage | 409.100 |
| South barn snipper 1 - Shot 10 | 1 | 586762.39 | 4523360.54 | 40.85670938 | -79.97059563 | 406.9 | 7.550 | pixel-degree conversion 2 footages | 414.450 |
| South barn snipper 2 | 1 | 586763.45 | 4523360.11 | 40.85670541 | -79.97058311 | 406.9 | 7.466 | pixel-degree conversion 2 footages | 414.366 |
| Trump | 2 | 586726.82 | 4523394.08 | 40.85701528 | -79.9710129 | 407.4 | 2.957 | 6 stairs of 8.25’+ pixel-degree conversion 1 footage | 410.357 |
| RSBN_video | 3 | 586684.48 | 4523383.68 | 40.85692611 | -79.97151665 | 407.4 | 2.850 | pixel-degree conversion 1 footage | 410.250 |
| Audio source 1 - Trump_MIC (RSBN Audio) | 1 | 586726.64 | 4523394.28 | 40.85701706 | -79.97101497 | 407.4 | 2.837 | 6 stairs of 8.25’+ pixel-degree conversion 1 footage | 410.237 |
| Audio source 2 - TMX at the fence | 2 | 586740.37 | 4523498.02 | 40.85794999 | -79.97083764 | 407.8 | 1.650 | pixel-degree conversion | 409.450 |
| Audio source 2 - TMX bullet 1 | 5 | 586733.37 | 4523500.71 | 40.857975 | -79.97092026 | 407.9 | 1.500 | guess | 409.400 |
| Audio source 2 - TMX bullet 2 | 5 | 586732.11 | 4523501.36 | 40.857981 | -79.9709352 | 408 | 1.100 | guess | 409.100 |
| Audio source 2 - TMX bullet 3 | 5 | 586731.63 | 4523501.69 | 40.857984 | -79.9709408 | 408 | 1.100 | guess | 409.100 |
| Audio source 2 - TMX bullet 4 to 9 | 4 | 586727.26 | 4523504.62 | 40.85801086 | -79.97099223 | 408 | 1.100 | guess | 409.100 |
| Audio source 2 - TMX bullet 10 | 4 | 586721.14 | 4523512.57 | 40.85808311 | -79.9710637 | 408.1 | 1.700 | guess | 409.800 |
| Audio source 3 - TMZ Ross bullet 1 to 9 | 2 | 586683.91 | 4523543.33 | 40.85836408 | -79.97150106 | 408.1 | 1.460 | pixel-degree conversion 1 footage | 409.560 |
| Audio source 3 - TMZ Ross bullet 10 | 1 | 586685.02 | 4523542.1 | 40.858353 | -79.971488 | 408.1 | 1.460 | pixel-degree conversion 1 footage | 409.560 |
| Audio source 4 - bullet 1 | 1 | 586693.00 | 4523528.92 | 40.85823332 | -79.9713953 | 408.3 | 1.400 | guess upon footage | 409.700 |
| Audio source 4 - bullet 2 | 1 | 586691.84 | 4523529.60 | 40.85823957 | -79.97140895 | 408.3 | 1.400 | guess upon footage | 409.700 |
| Audio source 4 - bullet 3 | 1 | 586690.60 | 4523530.21 | 40.85824519 | -79.97142359 | 408.3 | 1.400 | guess upon footage | 409.700 |
| Audio source 4 - bullet 4 | 2 | 586684.73 | 4523536.29 | 40.85830706 | -79.97149746 | 408.2 | 1.400 | guess upon footage | 409.600 |
| Audio source 4 - bullet 9 | 2 | 586684.29 | 4523537.00 | 40.85830059 | -79.97149236 | 408.2 | 1.400 | guess upon footage | 409.600 |
| Audio source 4 - bullet 10 | 1 | 586683.83 | 4523544.57 | 40.85837024 | -79.97151182 | 408 | 1.400 | guess upon footage | 409.400 |
| Audio source 5 - root | 1 | 586658.66 | 4523405.68 | 40.85712697 | -79.97181986 | 408.6 | 1.500 | guess | 410.100 |
| Audio source 6 - DJstew bullet 1 | 1 | 586774.15 | 4523486.16 | 40.85783965 | -79.97043855 | 407.1 | 0.894 | pixel-degree conversion 1 footage | 407.994 |
| Audio source 6 - DJstew bullet 2 | 1 | 586775.89 | 4523486.19 | 40.85783967 | -79.97041794 | 407 | 0.486 | Dstew@1shoot - pixel-degree conversion 1 footage | 407.486 |
| Audio source 6 - DJstew bullet 3 | 2 | 586779.23 | 4523487.25 | 40.8578489 | -79.97037816 | 406.9 | 0.500 | guess upon footage | 407.400 |
| Audio source 6 - DJstew bullet 4 to 9 | 2 | 586782.39 | 4523487.97 | 40.85785506 | -79.97034062 | 406.8 | 0.300 | guess upon footage | 407.100 |
| Audio source 6 - DJstew bullet 10 | 2 | 586775.48 | 4523489.88 | 40.85787301 | -79.97042227 | 407 | 0.100 | guess upon footage | 407.100 |
| Audio source 7 - IMG_0994 (don’t run) | 1 | 586654.15 | 4523414.58 | 40.857208 | -79.971872 | 410 | 1.600 | guess | 411.600 |
| Audio source 8 - NTD | 1 | 586691.16 | 4523403.54 | 40.85710427 | -79.97143464 | 408.1 | 2.850 | pixel-degree conversion 1 footage | 410.950 |
| Audio source 9 - Cruizer | 1 | 586793.39 | 4523525.12 | 40.85818848 | -79.97020489 | 406.2 | 1.200 | guess based upon cruize height | 407.400 |
This is only a compendium from these updates already provided:
Table version 3;IMG_0994;Audio source 3 - TMZ Ross bullet 10;TMX_v4 and v5;Djstew v2;Audio source 4
Also I organized that data for victim,videos, photo and source.
Also added a column for Geolocation version.
Hi KHunter,
There is no need to become emotional simply because I am challenging your figures.
The fact that we cannot overlay the rally image using the method you suggested on https://www.randymajors.org/ renders the entire approach imprecise and ambiguous.
You claim that I have drawn the stage too small, leading to an incorrect sea-level height for Trump’s stage position, while I maintain that you have drawn it too large.
I would like to propose a method that addresses this issue. Rather than becoming emotional, let us allow the facts to speak for themselves and accept the outcome, whatever it may be.
Here is a method that everyone in this forum can follow and verify for themselves:
Press “OK” and then click “Save Place As”, saving it to your hard drive as “Trump stage.kml”.
Go to https://www.gpsvisualizer.com/ and click on “Convert to GPX”.
Select “Plain Text” for the output, choose “U.S.” for units, and most importantly, set “Add DEM elevation data” to “Best available source”.
Click on “Choose files” and upload the “Trump stage.kml” and press the “Convert” button.
Consequently, we need not consider the remaining six points, which I have already determined to be inaccurate.
I urge everyone in this forum not to take my word for it, nor to accept KHunter’s assertions. Instead, I encourage you to take the initiative and verify the results for yourselves by using this new, more accurate method.
In conclusion, nobody in this forum has thus far been able to demonstrate the trajectory from Crook’s position to Trump’s ear to the corner of the bystanders. Rather, the first shot is originating from somewhere along the wall of Building 6.
Any locations on wall of building 6 makes the positions of bullet 10 go far from the snipper on South barn and bullet 9 far from the SWAT officer, also the errors of sound prediction time tends to diverge, based on the audio study I explained above.
Where did you find the height of the bleachers rail (11’2’') @undisputed-facts ?
Nice find, @sabotage70 ! Clearly visible on BWC-122125 at 14:57. I always assumed it was from some heavy metal band.
Roger
You are a classic Gamma Personality type. I understand people like you all too well. Your behaviour is entirely predictable. Telling people not to get emotional is typical Gamma behaviour. You are projecting, and as I said, fooling nobody.
I have not read your post. I do not trust you. You manipulate things dishonestly. Do not reply to this post or any other post that I make. Just don’t interact with me. It’s simple.
You can find the manufacturing drawing here:
Manufacturing Drawing
To determine the height of the bystanders using Photoshop, follow these steps:
As for Shot 10, I haven’t analysed it at all. But isn’t it simply a 30 seconds delayed shot from the sniper team, taking out Crooks? This would align with the screen shot below, where you can see him stand up, perhaps attempting to flee. As soon as his head appears above the roof, he seems to be shot by the sniper (likely from the south team).
For the elevation of the bleacher according to the drawing it is 11’2". But it’s not what is actually happening based on the footages.
Another difference I found from your measurements is the elevation of the bleacher. I’m using this position (40.856805, -79.971099) as reference where the ground support of the Jack is. The elevation here is 406.8m or 1334.65’.
Also, the dust footage of the first bullet indicates that it hit the vertical rail 4" below the top of the rail.
So just for these three corrections we get -1.69’ at the bullet elevation on the rail.
Because Trump is much closer to rail (23.88m of horizontal distance) then Crooks (141.05m of horizontal distance) an error of 1 foot at rail results in 5.91’ error at Crooks position.That results in the bullet coming from 10.02’ above your elevation at B6. That will get you more close to Crooks elevation.
I don’t believe that Google elevations are very accurate so that’s a problem that could only be solved with measurements with total GPS stations.
The lines of sight tell a better picture, look at this footage for example.
I also did a study for James Copenhaver footage almost 2 months ago. I still stick to the results of this. The estimated position of the bullet fired from Crooks position hits very near the rail.
Have you seen this?
Yes I have. What does it change?
Here are other lines of sights that results in the same conclusion.
