Audio Analysis Is Most Consistent Two Shooters At Trump Rally

[rough_country_gypsy]

These are the only windows in that building.

[greg_n]

@cohler, I’m looking at the formula you published in Desmos, and I’m having trouble understanding it.

Rewriting it slightly to produce seconds instead of milliseconds, you’ve got:
x = (d-y)/Vs - sqrt(d^2 + y^2)/Vb

Where:
x = Snik-Report time difference in ms
y = Distance from mic to bullet at closest point in ft
d = DIstance from shooter muzzle to microphone in ft
Vs = Speed of sound in fps
Vb = Average speed of bullet in fps

To produce the Snick-Report time, you have two terms, let’s call them S and R. The report always comes after the snick, so the basic formula would be:
x = R - S

For your term “R”, you have: (d-y)/Vs
For your term “S”, you have: sqrt(d^2 + y^2)/Vb

I drew this diagram to help me understand your formula:

So, it appears to me like you’re saying that the report time is the the amount of time it takes for the sound to travel to point “r” and that the snick time is the amount of time it takes for the bullet to travel to point “s”. I just don’t see how that could be correct. Would you please explain it?

[rough_country_gypsy]

It’s also hard to fathom that thousands of people are facing Trump (and the barns where the counter-snipers are posted) and no one captured a video of the southern team taking the shot.

[rough_country_gypsy]

@bumblebeeez

They may have put that up there after the rally though. For FBI people to be up there and do their thing when researching Crooks’ movements. The ladder looks new and it doesn’t look tall enough to reach the highest roof unless it was pulled up to the roof next to it first.

Possible, but doubtful that the FBI even looked at that roof. I have no faith in their investigation. However, one of the questions people were asking of @howdoiknowthisinfo is how a shooter got on and off the top of that roof. Well, there’s been a ladder there the entire time. I’m not saying there was a 2nd shooter up there, but it only helps his hypothesis. Imagine if broken glass was discovered near window three on the south side of building 6. Those pushing that hypothesis would be ecstatic yet it wouldn’t prove the time it was broken. The ladder is one more thing that makes you go hmmmm.

[howdoiknowthisinfo (howdoiknowthisinfo.com)]

yes, and so far, I have not seen any footage of the JCB hydraulic lift getting hit either…

everybody seems to have posted footage looking from the crowd in front of Trump to Trump and the snipers on the northern barn, and hardly any footage is available showing Trump from the left hand side towards the southern snipers and the JCB hydraulic lift…

[bumblebeeez]

That ladder is the type that would have to be pulled up to the next roof to reach the highest roof.

You think a pro sniper is fumbling with a ladder on two roofs to access their nest and to escape?

Ladders can be heavy and loud.

Doesn’t seem realistic.

[rough_country_gypsy]

I’m not claiming anything. All I’m pointing out is there’s a ladder stashed up there in somewhat of a conspicuous manner. At this point, I believe Crooks fired all 8 shots but I’m going to keep digging until there’s no more digging to be done and help those here (all that I can) to prove or disprove their theories.

[howdoiknowthisinfo (howdoiknowthisinfo.com)]

@rough_country_gypsy

it only helps his hypothesis

thanks for this confirmation.

@rough_country_gypsy

help those here (all that I can)

this is much appreciated!
thanks!

[sorey]

Here you can see the speaker tower going down and the hydraulic liquid shooting out.

Video: The Moment Shots Were Fired at Trump Rally in Butler, Pennsylvania

[howdoiknowthisinfo (howdoiknowthisinfo.com)]

yes, thanks for this footage, but what I am looking for is a video from someone in the northern bleachers from where Corey Comperatore was shot who films Trump from right before he got shot at until the 8 shots have been fired.

there seems to be no footage from that angle, even though hundreds of cameras were filming from that location…

[cohler]

@greg_n

Would you please explain it?

It’s all explained step by step in my previous posts.

Read the post and then let me know what you don’t understand. I don’t “seem” to say anything at all. I simply say things.

Audio Analysis Is Most Consistent Two Shooters At Trump Rally

This is NEW analysis built on what I did in my previous post. To refine and derive how close those first three shots were to Trump’s microphone: vs = speed of sound vb = average speed of bullet d = distance from muzzle to microphone dc = distance from muzzle to bullet closest point ε = distance from bullet to microphone at closest point treport = time of report arrival at mic tsnik = time of snik arrival at mic t0 = time of shot Δt = treport - tsnik d = vs x (treport - t0) => treport …

[kincses-zsolt]

@greg_n

I just don’t see how that could be correct. Would you please explain it?

The drawing is not correct. Where is the hipersonic cone?

[kincses-zsolt]

I missed to see that ladder. Where is it?

[daniel59]

@rough_country_gypsy

These are the only windows in that building.

That is very interesting.

It looks as if someone climbing out of the right-hand window onto the roof cannot be seen from the street.

Could someone climb out of the window unseen and then climb up the side of the two-storey building using a ladder? Is the view from the street obscured, perhaps by trees?

[greg_n]

@cohler

This is NEW analysis built on what I did in my previous post.

To refine and derive how close those first three shots were to Trump’s microphone:

v_s = speed of sound
v_b = average speed of bullet
d = distance from muzzle to microphone
d_c = distance from muzzle to bullet closest point
ε = distance from bullet to microphone at closest point
t_report = time of report arrival at mic
t_snik = time of snik arrival at mic
t₀ = time of shot
Δt = t_report - t_snik

d = v_s x (t_report - t₀) => t_report = ^d⁄_vs + t₀

d_c = (d² + ε²)^0.5

t_snik = ^d_c⁄_vb + ^ε⁄_vs + t₀

So Δt = ^d⁄_vs - (^d_c⁄_vb + ^ε⁄_vs) = ^{(d - ε)}⁄_vs - ^d_c⁄_vb

@cohler, it’s the equation for d_c that I’m not understanding.
You say that d_c is the distance from muzzle to bullet closest point. That would be like I have marked in this drawing, correct?

But d_c is not the hypotenuse of the triangle, it is a side, so wouldn’t it be:

d_c = (d² - ε²)^0.5

Therefore, the geometry I think you are modeling is this:

So, your d_c and ε are not at the closest point of approach to the recorder, they are at point “s”, which makes them both a bit longer. Then, if I am describing this correctly, how does one know what ε is?

[bigtim]

Wow, great work and great find. This makes the high roof even more compelling.

[kincses-zsolt]

What I’d like to see here is the supersonic cone.

[roger-knight]

Referring to my previous hypothesis of the 2nd shooter:

@roger-knight

The saga of the 2 shooter (shots 1-3 by second shooter) hypothesis vs. 8 shots by Crooks continues!

For those who have difficulty understanding what I mean by the helper pulls back the window in parallel, I wanted to share these illustrations as follows:

Looking at this view, you would think the window is closed

However, looking from the back perspective view you see how the helper stepped back with the upper window parallelly

The upper window was only open for 4 seconds during the first 3 shots, making it impossible for anybody to notice, but fortunately we caught the first shot on super HD video

[bigtim]

@roger-knight
Your entire theory is based on unstable foundation: window reflections that are not unique to Window 3 and are seen in several other windows (so nothing unique nor suggestive of Window 3 being opened/removed), the reliance on total luck to not be videoed by spectators (pros don’t rely on luck), the ability to shoot THRU the bleachers packed with people (impossible) and possibly having to shoot thru the 6’ fence (unless the person were on an elevated platform above the 1/2 way point in the window), and the ability to open/remove window and shoot and replace/close window in mere seconds unobserved (impossible).

You’ve also been caught using highly suggestive inaccurate gifs, that show the window “oddities” from screen shots of radically different time and angle which suggestively show false or misleading images. Some angles look like about 20 more feet different lateral angles, some are from crouching or standing angles, etc. which when put to a gif are totally misleading.

You still have not answered my questions. What is your explanation of the different reflections in Window 2 near identical to Window 3, which you base your theory upon?

[roger-knight]

Do you have any proof that disproves any of the facts I presented?

Maybe start with this one:
At T-4 you can clearly see that there are two parts of the window, the upper and lower. The helper is caught on Stewarts video T-4 clearly with the upper window in his hands and you even see him with his head light through the crack of the window frame and the upper window…